I still thought the three blades were rather interesting, as Kingdom Hearts III would be the next title, and three blades could hint it. Plus, we have to remember that note in the bottle, as I'm sure Nomura or any of Square won't leave us hanging with that. Yeah, it may be a few years before we see the next adventure of Sora, as Nomura doesn't want to get into any other KH stuff for awhile, but I definitely believe we'll see them again eventually, hopefully in this Keybade War thing.
But did they not already state that any further KH titles won't be about Sora, Riku, and Kairi?
I really hope they don't decide to pull some unnecessary storyline out of their ass for the sole purpose of continuing a already nicely concluded story that shouldn't be touched any further (a la FFX-2). I don't mind any further KH games...I just don't want them to be about Sora and company. They found each other, they restored the worlds, they got home...their story is over.
I like Kung-Fu.
I wholeheartedly agree.Originally Posted by DMKA
I hope so too.
The story probably won't involve Sora and company, but it will relate to them. I forsee minor roles at best.
then again, we could be looking at the old RPG/epic/midievil standby. Rusty Keyblades don't nessecarily mean that everyones dead. *clears throat*
Advent Children: Rusty Buster Sword in a Hillside
FFX: Rusty Sword in a Statue (the one you turn into Aurons Final weapon)
Conan the Barbarian: Sword in a dead Guy
King Arthur: Sword in a Stone, AND Sword in a Lake
eight million other examples from all kinds of sources, but i don't feel like wasting typing energy... Anywho, typically a rusty sword (to me anyway) states only that the wars over, and whichever hero that had used it, felt it had served it's purpose and was best put to rest. May be dead, may not. but seeing as how Squenix's latest reference was from a very much alive Cloud Strife in AC, it would not be mindblowing to find sora and crew older but very... not dead, merely living peaceably in the world they stabilized.
Whatever Nomura has up his sleeves, I sort of hope that it isn't a game. I'd personally welcome a written novel, but I very much doubt that it will happen that way.
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Well, whatever it is, if it's Kingdom Hearts related, then has to have something to do with KH3.Nomura also elaborated slightly on his ideas for future developments in the Kindgom Hearts series. The director and character designer stated that fans shouldn't expect a brand new Kingdom Hearts III, or another offshoot title like Chain of Memories. Nomura also dismissed the idea of an animated feature, and said that he wanted to move away from the timeline presented in the first three Kingdom hearts games.
For anyone who still believes we won't be seeing KH3 . . . that the whole scheme is complete . . . here's a list of things that need explanation and elaboration:
1: For every Heartless there is a Nobody. Those with the darkest hearts and strongest wills are able to keep their human form. So, if "Ansem" was Xehanort's Heartless, then what about all of the other Nobodies? We never seen their Heartless. It would be awesome to see 11 unique enemies that didn't wear those dumbass robes just so that the designers didn't have to be creative. I especially want to see Axel's Heartless.
2: There were very few Nobodies in KH2. The list didn't even come close to the Heartless list of KH. You only got to fight that Thorn-Nobody once and it was the equivalent of Darkside. Obviously, we should have to face it again.
3: Clarification of the relevance of Sora's Anti-Form would be nice.
4: If a being loses its heart, it becomes a Nobody. If a being loses its body, it becomes a Heartless. If a being loses its mind . . .? If a being loses its soul . . .?
I don't see how that's even mildly relevant to whether the special ending is signalling a KHIII or not.
I like Kung-Fu.
They don't need a special Heartless, no matter how cool it would be (and it would be SUPREMELY cool). Sora didn't get a special Heartless either, he was just a regular Shadow, the fact that he used the Keyblade means very little.
They don't need alot of species of Nobodies. As the nature of Nobody was explained, the Nobodies are different from Heartless, because they can plan an attack, and have the ability to attack in coordinated groups, rather than attack like pack wolves to acquire the meat of a common enemy. This statement from Yen Sid alone means there would only be a few categories of Nobody, as Organization XIII controls the Nobodies, they would set them under the suboordinace of a OXIII member.
Xemnas -- Sorcerers
Xigbar -- Snipers
Xaldin -- Dragoons
Axel -- Assassins
Demyx -- Dancers
Roxas -- Samurai
Luxord -- Gamblers
Saix -- Berserkers
Vexen, Laxaeus, Zexion, Marluxia, and Larxene were killed before their Nobody ranks were revealed or encountered. A theory could be that once a OXIII member dies, their members become absorbed in another's ranks. This does not occur in KHII, because OXIII were killed in such rapid sucession, that time would be required for the take over/assimilation.
Dusks and Creepers are considered generic, and cannon fodder, just as the Shadows are considered the most populous of all the Heartless. However, the main difference is that Shadows are the only true Heartless. Darksides, other non-emblemed Heartless, and Ansem DarkSeeker are open for interpretation, although, I would say, that those too are true Heartless also (e.g., Darkballs and Dual-Bladers).
Darksides are not unique. You fight three of them throughout the game (which means it would be especially powerful), and at the end of KHI, you see millions of Darksides attempt to take over Kingdom Hearts. They are not unique, just especially powerful, based on the original's power of heart. Just because they have a strong Nobody, does not mean they will have a strong Heartless.
Heart != Body/Soul
It's to recall the gloriousness of Sora as a Heartless, because we can use all three of his forms: human, Nobody, and in KHI, Heartless. This is the developer's way to let you control how Sora would act as a Heartless. His Anti-Form doesn't use the Keyblade, and in KHI, the Keyblade abandoned Riku because he used the Darkness. Just as Riku uses Soul Eater while using the Darkness, Sora too is wielding the Darkness in his Anti-Form.
There are only 3 parts of a person: Heart, Soul, Body. While we consider the mind the strongest part of the body, (our brain, therefore, one of the more important, if not THE MOST important)does not mean that the philosophy of KH is that the Mind is a distinct element. KH recalls the old philosphy of ancient cultures, that if you lost one of the things that made you a human, you would no longer be human.
By definition, a Nobody is what is left over, when a Heart abandons/is taken from a person. The renegade Heart, then goes in search of power, and to cause suffering to other people, thus means the Heartless. What is left over, is the Body and the Soul, which constitutes a Nobody. Nobodies attack humans out the of the confusion and desire to contact with others and be real. The onyl way to separate a Soul from a Body, would have to be explained in KHIII, and highly unlikely, considering the way they are presented in KHII.
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It could be that Mickey knows a story about Xehanort from Ansem the Wise. It could be that the quote is relative to Xeh's past. Look at God of War. The game begins with Kratos hurling himself off a cliff. Then you play through his past. Obviously, your first assumption is that he's going to die, he's doing himself in. Yet, your playing through his memories anyway.
kh 3?, there gonna ruin it, they already had the perfect ending, the bottle thing was ok, but no kh3, a prequel is bad too, it wont have sora as the main chracter so it wont be the same
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Mercen-X does kind of have a point. It is possible that Mickey knows alot of Xehanort from Ansem the Wise, and Mickey telling the story to Sora could be a representation of the ending segement. Perhaps some internal struggle with his Darkness, and him winding up as losing? Far fetched, but at this point, anything is possible. This ending far, far more vague than the other ending in KHI. All it's got is a Keyblade War and a mention about Xehanort's memories. In KHI, at least it still looked like something that could be a KH sequel, not to mention the older looking characters.
It wouldn't be the same, but it would still be in the KH universe. If SquareEnix were to make a game good enough, then it would be worth playing. Different maybe, but worth a chance.
OK, time for my theory.
In the Ansem reports from the first game, Xehanort says that there are two legends of the keyblade. One of them says the keyblade master saved the world, and the other says that the keyblade master led the world into chaos. I think that the knights and the keyblades must have something to do with these legends.
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-The Wheelchair
I already established that...
1. Wrong. There isn't a Nobody for every Heartless. There is only a Nobody for those Heartless formed from beings of strong will. When someone with a weak will becomes a Heartless, no Nobody is formed. While the 11 unique Heartless would be sweet, we know that doesn't happen. Only two people ever kept their sense of identity when they became a Heartless, and those two were Sora and Xehanort. All others just became mindless Heartless of one form or another.
2. Your point?
3. Go into Yen-Sid's tower, go to the room where the fairies gave you the new clothes. Read the five messages spaced around the room. Each one relates to one of the forms.
4. There is no indication of the Mind being a seperate force, like the Heart. And according to the Secret Ansem Reports, when a being loses its soul, it dies (soul seems to be more "life-force" than the standard definition of soul).
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