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[eestlinc]

thank you for bringing us commoners into your world, if only for a moment. I think I'm going to start manipulating everyone until I am the head admin now. Don't get in my way or I'll kill you too.

[RSL]

Just when you think this might blow over. Thanks a bunch, Del.

[Psychotic]

My only regret is that I had the flu for the last few days and was unable to defend my fellow staffers ShlupQuack and Loony BoB in a public view. They have been getting a lot of guff over this issue, and I think this is unfounded. Look at yourselves before you cast stones. Would you turn away a good friend, a family member, a child just because they made one mistake? It was a cartoon image for crying out loud. They have been my heroes in this whole ordeal, for standing their ground and sticking up for what is right.

When Shlup says things like "Christ on a cracker, you people need to get out of the house once in awhile." instead of at least trying to justify what she did, then what do you expect her to get other than guff, Del? As for BoB, he is nothing more than a hypocrite according to one of the quotes Raistlin has kindly collected: "I would ban my best friend if he did something wrong." If they really had stood their ground like you were suggesting, then they wouldn't have made an exception for one of their own. Big D, Leeza and Lord Krang are the ones who stood their ground, in my mind.

Anyway, to be honest, I'm not all that bothered that Kishi isn't banned and I never have been - he's a great member and an asset to EoFF. It's just frustrating when the staff let their own friends get away with things (when they specifically stated they would not do this) when our own friends (Peter, for example) are banned for it. To quote Fire_of_avalon: "Peter is to me what Kishi is to them."

But as I requested in my first post: Please can we have a clarfication regarding innaproppriate images, and who has the "importance" and "status" to avoid this. Otherwise it leads to uncertainty as to what is allowed and what isn't, and in my mind there needs to be some sort of clarity regarding things like this.

[nik0tine]

I wish you luck, because that is all a coward has.

Oh please... I have alot of respect for you Del, but that was completely uncalled for.

I don't know what the image was. I didn't see it. However, if I, or another member had posted it , you said we would get banned? That most definetly does not seem right to me. I can understand the Kishi was unbanned. He has been here for years. However, the fact that after being banned he STILL kept his knighthood is unacceptable to me. He may be a respectable member of the community, but he has proven himself unfit to be a CK. A Cid's Knight is someone that we should trust. A Cids Knight is not someone that would post 'borderline' images.

I don't have a problem if he stays, but I think his status as a CK should be revoked.

[Flamethrower]

I don't think he should be banned, nor do I think he should be demodded. What I want to see is for the staff to own up to their big mistake in the past when they said they would ban anybody including current staff for posting porn. Making mistakes is forgivable; making mistakes and acting like you didn't is not.

[Raistlin]

My biggest concern is that staff has said for years that it doesn't matter if you're a member, Knight, or administrator - if you're anyone but Cid, you're equally responsible for your own actions, and you are treated equally by the rules. Do I need to take out my page of quotes again? If you admit any regular member would be banned for posting that image, then it's obviously not border-line.

I, too, am somewhat disappointed with Matt, D, and Leeza(although I understand Leeza had been talking/thinking about stepping down for some time now and Matt always talked about it). Yes, stepping down and let others making your arguments is the easy way out. But so is going back on five-year-old staff principles so you don't have to make a hard decision.

[Del Murder]

I will officially apologize for the coward remark. I'm still a little hazy and my emotions got the best of me as the post wore on. If you saw some of the things D was saying in the staff thread you would see where I'm coming from.

[Strider]

One thing.

This isn't a business or a university or anything like that. There shouldn't be any such thing as "tenure", as Del put it, lest it be construed as... well, for lack of a better term, elitism.

[Raistlin]

Elitism, bias, however you want to put it. It goes against everything EoFF has stood for, and everything the staff has told us, for the past five years. It means that, once you reach a certain point where Staff doesn't have the stomach to ban you, you're not responsible for your actions.

What bothers me the most is that, not only was Kishi not banned as per the rules, but he wasn't even punished. He wasn't temporarily banned, wasn't kicked off Staff, nothing. Is this a muligan? What is this, golf?

[eestlinc]

If you are really annoyed by stuff here it's usually best to just take a few days or a month off and don't come here at all. Then when you come back you'll realize what you like about this place. Then again, maybe you'll realize how much you enjoy life without EoFF, and if that happens then you are better off for it.

[Yamaneko]

Yup.

[Raistlin]

If you are really annoyed by stuff here it's usually best to just take a few days or a month off and don't come here at all. Then when you come back you'll realize what you like about this place. Then again, maybe you'll realize how much you enjoy life without EoFF, and if that happens then you are better off for it.

Have you not paid attention? I just took a few days off.

But I say this: if you are not annoyed, frustrated, or whatever when something you feel is wrong is done, then you don't really care. If I wasn't annoyed, or frustrated, or depressed when something I felt is wrong happened at EoFF, I wouldn't really care about EoFF. If I wasn't willing to argue for what I feel is right at EoFF, then I don't really care about EoFF. And I do care, as those who have been arguing in Feedback care, as those who have been arguing in Staff care. For both sides.

[Del Murder]

kishi will be watched like a hawk, I assure you. I have chained myself to him for the time being (he wanted it to be Shlup but we denied that request, just to show you that we don't give him everything he wants).

[Raistlin]

I would've sworn he'd ask for Unne...

[eestlinc]

Have you not paid attention? I just took a few days off.

Obviously it wasn't enough time. I think too many people are way too worked up about stupid internet drama. I care a lot about this place but I'm not going to lose sleep over some stupid made up rules inconsistency crap. People are inconsistent. If you have trouble dealing with that you'll have a long, hard life. This place runs a lot better when everyone "cares" less. Go post in the FF forums maybe. Remind yourself why you came here in the first place.