Del snizz's post makes me feel guilty.
My head hurts, too.
Del snizz's post makes me feel guilty.
My head hurts, too.
Thanks to Sagensyg for the sig!
Well said, Snizz.
After reading that, I thought maybe there could be an alternative to the 'instaban' policy. Instead of banning those who post porn, why don't we forever restrict thier ability to post links? I don't know if this is actually possible. The way I see it, you could just have anything that contains "http://" , "www." ".com" ".org" ".net" etc. be filtered out automatically just like swear words are. Although, like I said, I am not sure if this is possible to pull off.
Anyways, just a suggestion. Take it or leave it, but please consider it.
Or instead.... draw a better line on what's "acceptable" and what's not acceptable.
If the picture Kishi posted is "borderline", and someone else posts the same picture Kishi posted that had him banned then unbanned twice, does that mean the picture is "safe" to post?
A line has to be drawn in the "no-porn" policy. What's porn and what's not?
So, if Kishi got unbanned for suggestive "tentacle hentai", then PeTeR should get the same treatmeant for posting a girl licking a "large snow penis" by accident. But not that he should get unbanned.
And seeing all these mods leave make me sad.
Apparently, I have been declared banished.
Me too...Originally Posted by Agent Proto
And seeing all these mods leave make me sad.
This is what I was trying to say about 100 posts ago, but Del Snizz said it better, and everyone listens to him more. So I won't bitch anymore, but please, listen to the man. At least read what he has to say.
Michami Dukadam - it's Hindi.
The way I see it, a pillar of the freakin' community posted a borderline image, and was banned for it instantly, as though one would ban your typical RPGWars raider who pops in just to post a code exploit that crashes IE.
Unbanning 'Kishi is nothing more than an application of the UYFB rule. Some rule in a dusty old tome in the back of the staff room should never overrule human judgment. Losing 'Kishi would have been a nigh-critical blow to the forums. Losing D as a staffer affects my personal morale, since as of late he's been my EoFF hero, but the forums can survive that. Leeza leaving is probably better for her anyways (no more problems with WesLY). Matt's leaving is neutral--he'll continue to be the same off-staff as he was on. But all 3 of them together becoming regular members like me won't have as much of a huge, earth-shattering impact as losing 'Kishi permanently. 'Kishi's been the one staffer who always keeps his head above the water in the staffroom drama (BoB's World Wars...and believe me, he doesn't underestimate that. World War I was my fault.), whose contributions are always useful, and who always seems to know the right way to react to any situation. Banning 'Kishi would have been a bigger blow to EoFF than the Cid/Quigoni schism, bigger than the Feb '02's "World War I" (which started the ball rolling on my resignation in '03), and bigger than the huge kafuffel over Linus's little April Fool's suicide note.
I'm glad to see the Use Your F*** Brain rule applied here in precedence over a rule that was written before the birth of Christ and which clearly did not anticipate this specific situation.
Man, do you know how hard it was to read through all of those posts? I kind of skimmed. 3 pages of stuff at 7:30 AM is hard to read.
Anyways, it's a real dissapointment that so many staff members left. Big D leaving has really upset me. I always thought he was one of the best CKs.
I don't think it's fair to say they took the easy way out. They left because they were disgusted, as many regulars are by this, and to make it seem like a selfish motive is not right.
And about the "Get a life" comments. Those are laughable. Just because people care about what is fair - message board or not, because afterall, we're still people here - doesn't mean they have no life.
Also, did anyone even consult Kishi about adding he back? Maybe he did it because he too, started becoming disgusted by EoFF. And if you even unbanned him for what he did, I don't think instantly putting him back to CK is the most intelligent thing.
That's really all I have to say. It's pretty obvious what should be done, but as I'm not a staff member, and get no leeway if I did anything wrong, why would my opinion be heard?
I've talked to Kishi. He did most certainly not want to get banned. =P
Bow before the mighty Javoo!
I know I haven't really been here long enough to comment, so sorry if you any of you think I'm being a big headed know it all.
But I think over the last week stuff has been going a bit haywire here, and I don't want to be banned or anything but I do think it's kinda unfair that some people should be allowed to be unblocked while others shouldn't just because of how highly ranked they are here. I think it doesn't matter who you are, if you break the rules, then you should be treat equally with everybody else who are just regular members
This thread has gone on long enough. It's degenerated from actual opinions just to spammy bickering. Staff is still discussing this, you'll all outdoubtedly learn what "we" decide upon. *kills*
Yeah, but not just staff should be talking about this. The members have just as much a right to talk about this as we do. Feedback is here for that. I don't think we should deny the members that opportunity. But, whatever, I'm tired of all this. For me it's a simple ban him or don't, and get on with it.
I'm not denying that the members should be able to discuss the... "issue"... in a mature manner. This thread wasn't exactly doing that.
Then again, I still feel there is no issue to be discussed. Reopen this if you wish. *shrugs*
Well a couple days have gone by, so I'm going to open this up again because I think this is an issue that the members should have an input on. Or at least be entitled to an explanaion.
I didn't think kishi should have been banned in the first place. I saw the image and thought it was borderline, but not something to throw away a four+ year career over. If Joe Newbie posted that image he would have been banned. If any of you posted that image you would have been banned. But if dedication and seniority can't buy you out of one mistake, then what are they worth? Kishi has been a very important figure at this board for some time. Would I have been banned if I did the same thing? I don't know, I'm not really sure I have that kind of status yet, but I might be able to talk my way out of it.
The main problem I have was with the way it was handled. Only three staff members were initially involved (some of which have taken the true 'easy way out' and stepped down), and this resulted in a ban without even a general discussion or hearing from the perpetrator himself. Thankfully this error was corrected by Shlup (who I think has been getting unfairly treated in this thread and is my main reason for reopening it), and we were able to 'discuss' the matter about as well as the Jews and Palestinians discuss pizza toppings, but at least we came to a decision. Kishi stays. Maybe he shouldn't have gotten his mod position back, but I think achieving such tenure as his would allow for at least one strike. When any of you reach that plateau we'll let you know.
My only regret is that I had the flu for the last few days and was unable to defend my fellow staffers ShlupQuack and Loony BoB in a public view. They have been getting a lot of guff over this issue, and I think this is unfounded. Look at yourselves before you cast stones. Would you turn away a good friend, a family member, a child just because they made one mistake? It was a cartoon image for crying out loud. They have been my heroes in this whole ordeal, for standing their ground and sticking up for what is right.
Big D, you were once my favorite, and my disappointment is great, but most of what I have to say to you was said in the staff thread and ensuing pm I sent to you (I didn't mean to get personal there, I was still a little under the weather and this stuff was really getting to me). I wish you luck, because that is all a coward has.
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For the record. I have not seen the image. Not that it would matter because look who you are talking to. You probably couldn't offend me if you tried.
Everyone's issue here is that time and time again it has been stated by all staff members that it doesn't matter who you are even an administrator would get banned. If you are not sure if the image is okay to post then play it safe and don't post it. Also once you are banned then you are banned. You can't get unbanned. Also since when the the person getting banned have a say in the ruling?
Since I have not seen the picture could someone post it in this thread for me to see. Seeing as how Kawaii didn't get banned over it then it must be acceptable to post...or else he would still be banned.
While you're entitled to your opinion, calling someone a coward seems a bit out of line to me.
How is someone standing up for what they believe and following through on it "the easy way out"? I think that's actually the hard way out, something I highly doubt a lot of people would bring themselves to do.
Take care all.
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