Important news.

[Knox]

Ah, so once you passed a certain point, you can make a "mistake" such as this? Then we need to do as Psy says: And also I think there needs to be a list of those who have "importance" and "status", so we know who can get away with anything.

It's wrong, Yams. You told me once at FG that you were glad to have Divina back when she was unbanned, because she was your friend and you weren't on staff at the time, so you could have the benefit of being biased. You don't now.

I - personally - see a difference between someone of no or questionable character joining a forum and posting pornography versus someone renowned for their pornography refraining for 4 or so years and slipping up.

Rules are made to be enforced by anyone with common sense. No, it's not excusable, but Kishi's actions do not call for draconian rebuttal. Not my issue - I'll stay out of it - just two cents worth...

Knox

PS: Raistlin, I thought you might like my usage of the word draconian. Even if you don't agree with me.

[Raistlin]

I'm not saying, "oh, unban Kishi", but I am saying that we shouldn't crucify Shlup for her decision. Matt and Leeza seem to me to have "taken the easy way out" because discussion in staff is still going on. We're waiting to hear from Shlup. It wasn't very professional of them to just walk out before hearing her out. It's only fair.

I agree that quitting is the easy way out. I agree that, in the vast majority of cases, it's not the right thing. I agree that the mods who did resign could have dealt with this in a better way. However, I also understand how they feel, and I remember at FG how many times I longed to just quit - how can I belittle them that?

EDIT:

Knox - it has been a policy of EoFF since the board was made to have an "instaban porn" policy, which has been valiently attempted to apply fairly and equally for the past 5 or so years. Yes, with some mistakes.

What we're arguing here is that if anyone else posted that image, then they'd be banned without all this fuss. However, because he's Kishi, some members on staff don't want to ban him. We're just saying: that's wrong. Rules that are meant to apply to everyone should apply to everyone.

[MecaKane]

Since Kishi is unbanned, I guess I can post porn, but be unbanned by certain admins because of my status on IRC.

xD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VampireCrono]

?

[Kirobaito]

because of my status on IRC.

Not a good card to play.

[Psychotic]

I - personally - see a difference between someone of no or questionable character joining a forum and posting pornography versus someone renowned for their pornography refraining for 4 or so years and slipping up.

I can understand basically what you're saying (I don't agree with it, but still), so where exactly do you draw the line? Someone who has been there for 6 months? 12 months? Posted 200 times? How is the average member to know whether or not they can break the rules without retribution?

To any Staff member: Can I post the image that Kishi did without being banned? What other rules am I allowed to break? I'd like to know where I stand, as do many other members, I'm sure.

[MecaKane]

Let me do up a diagram for you.
-Kishi
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-BoB
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-Everyone else
And there's nothing wrong with that.

[Raistlin]

Yes. I, too, would like to know how far I could go without being banned. How graphic an image could I post?

[VampireCrono]

I don't care if it's a good card to play. I was using a bad analogy because I could not think of something better.

[Mr. Graves]

Like Phychotic, I'd also like to view this "horrible" picture, just because.

I legitamitely can't take an real side to the argument on if Kishi's banning was appropriate or not, until I see what the offense exactly was.

[-N-]

Looks like my post was too long to bother reading.

[VampireCrono]

Yeah it pretty much was. Sorry.:\

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[crono_logical]

Psychotic: No you can't post the image While it's possibly borderline (which is one of the main problems - and that's one of the things we're still debating) - if we decide in the end it's banworthy, what happens to you? Exchange it privately if you must

[Raistlin]

Taken from my LJ:

"I would ban my best friend if he broke the rules." - Daniel

"Carelessness is a choice as much as deliberately doing something wrong. We're all responsible for our own actions." - Unne

"Post porn, get banned. Proto, I think you know well enough that if you posted a picture like that, you would be banned. So would I. So would anyone." - RSL

"So, what if a Cid's Knight, or Administrator posted a similar picture that Peter posted, would the staff demote them and ban them for that?" - Proto, to Leeza

"Yes." - Leeza's reply, to Proto

"The only person exempt from the rules would be Sean." - RSL

"If I was in his position then I would probably say "oh crap, that was dumb of me" and go to one of the other 3 million message boards on the internet to get my net fix." -RSL

"Post porn, get banned. Seems pretty simple to me." - Yams

"In my eyes everyone here has the same chance to get banned. There are no "good members"." - Yams

"Once a decision is made, we stick with it. That's consistency." - Unne

"However, if policy changes and people are allowed a "second chance" for accidental posting of pornography/inappropriate imagery, then we're sending a message that it's quite all right to post it, provided it's only done once. Anyone with a chip on his or her shoulder could "inadvertently" post something objectionable and expect to get away with it. If PeTerL90 is unbanned, then anyone else banned for pronography could simply say, "I never posted that on purpose, you've got to unban me or else that proves you're biased and hypocritical because PeTerL90 got unbanned."
This would simply be unacceptable." - Big D

I guess, to some of the staff, those are just words.