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[[M] Award Guy]

Please don't take the death blurbs as evidence of anything. They're just supposed to be something that makes the game a little bit more fun. "Terra died, sux2bher" isn't as exciting.

Originally Posted by [M] Barret ^

OOC:	As an out-loud musing, I get the feeling that this game is too filled with special roles. While I can imagine the thinking behind it, it makes a game too complicated, especially if there are several different groups with their own agenda because it gives the townies a disadvantage

It's just an experiment, really, because a lot of people don't like Vanilla Town and refuse to play properly if that's what they get. But don't worry about the townsfolk being disadvantaged. We've tried to give all factions, be they town, mafia, or anything else a decent slice of power. We hope the game is balanced and it was something we heavily considered. Maybe it'll turn out we were wrong, and I'll be disappointed if we were, but we've definitely tried.

[[M] Kofi Annan]

Originally Posted by [M] Cyan ^

This my suspicions for Freya, Faris, Auron and Terra.

I encourage people to go back and read this post, as Cyan provides a lot of input on certain things. Cyan was a Mason, and a Mason knows who the other Masons are. For this reason I don't think any of the above people are her fellow Masons. I think this is the best piece of information to go on at this time. Please provide another if you see it.

Terra is now dead. Faris voted yesterday and hasn't raised much suspicion from me. Auron posts just to vote for Vivi, but at least he posted recently. Freya has only made one post, to vote for Vivi. She is not being helpful, and is my current number 1 suspect. It's hard to come up with a lot of evidence for this, but that's the point. If mafia never post then we will never find the evidence to lynch them. If town doesn't post then lynching them is most likely no big loss. The only way it would be a loss is if the person was a doctor trying to lay low, but even then they should at least vote.

My vote will go to Freya until she posts. Once she posts I will retract my vote if she provides a good argument.

##Vote: Freya

EDIT: Well there goes my theory that Edge was James Bond with Extreme Jawache.

[[M] Behold the Void]

Barret: If you're going to lump me in with the Lovers, you're going to have to come up with some explanation as to what the Lovers actually are. I don't go for foursomes.

[[M] Rinoa]

Originally Posted by [M] Barret ^

In the first round Fran, Quina and Lulu all voted for the person lynched.

The first time I voted, it was cause Ingus was acting way funny. I'm sure you'd recall this since YOU VOTED FOR HIM AS WELL.

The second day, I voted for Ramza cause he was pissing me off with his crazy logic and silly gimmick.

Originally Posted by [M] Barret ^

In round two they all voted for the same person again... They couldn't all change their votes however because that's just too suspicious.

Nice. So since I kept my vote with someone who I didn't think was playing well, it makes me suspicious. If I had changed my vote, I would have been suspicious too. Damned if I do, damned if I don't eh?

Originally Posted by [M] Barret ^

Now that Lulu is dead that leaves Fran and Quina. Of the two Fran is the one that's "doing the most damage" as it were.

You're trying to argue that I was teamed up with the Lovers, but you seem to be overlooking the fundamentals of the role. Lovers = two people. I am positive that we killed all the Lovers in this game. It was like a mini-faction. Two people, both with power roles. As long as the protective Lover was alive, the killing role was safe. Without the killing role, the protective Lover had no use. Once the Protective Lover was gone, Killing Lover was open to being killed, which he was.

If there were more than 2 lovers in the game, they would be called polygamists or something. Trust me, it makes sense that there are only two Lovers. Or else, if it was built like a regular Mafia group, why would they need to specify that only ONE of them can have a kill power? Makes no sense. Makes PERFECT sense if there are only two Lovers.

So, since there are only two Lovers, your attempts at connecting two more people to that group is pretty faulty.

Originally Posted by [M] Barret ^

God your quote was a mess... [part of post omitted] I also suspect you so much it's unreal. If I had a concrete reason to vote for you right now I would, but at the moment your incessant double talk makes it nye on impossible to follow what you're saying/doing.

Ok, so I can't vote for someone based on ridiculously convoluted "makes no sense" post a la Ramza, but YOU can be suspicious of the same thing in Edgar? No. It doesn't work that way. You can't try and lynch someone for behavior that you yourself are exhibiting.

[[M] Sirius Black]

Originally Posted by [M] Fran ^

The first time I voted, it was cause Ingus was acting way funny. I'm sure you'd recall this since YOU VOTED FOR HIM AS WELL.

But you changed your vote by the end. Vote switching is a common Mafia tactic since they have to co-ordinate their votes to be effective.

Originally Posted by [M] Fran ^

The second day, I voted for Ramza cause he was pissing me off with his crazy logic and silly gimmick.

You voted for someone just because they were annoying you? That's the most ridiculous reason for voting for anyone in this game I've ever heard. How can you possibly expect anyone to accept such an explanation? That's an obvious lame excuse.

Originally Posted by [M] Fran ^

Nice. So since I kept my vote with someone who I didn't think was playing well, it makes me suspicious. If I had changed my vote, I would have been suspicious too. Damned if I do, damned if I don't eh?

If you had a legitimate reason for voting then you wouldn't be under suspicion right now. "Because he was annoying" just doesn't cut it in this game.

Originally Posted by [M] Fran ^

You're trying to argue that I was teamed up with the Lovers, but you seem to be overlooking the fundamentals of the role. Lovers = two people. I am positive that we killed all the Lovers in this game. It was like a mini-faction. Two people, both with power roles. As long as the protective Lover was alive, the killing role was safe. Without the killing role, the protective Lover had no use. Once the Protective Lover was gone, Killing Lover was open to being killed, which he was.

Actually the Lover role in Mafia is either a pair that win if they're both alive by the end of the game, or one where if one dies so does the other. Since Lulu died and Irvine followed, I would say that gives us the second lot. Also, just because they are lovers doesn't mean they're not still Mafia. Lovers can be both Townie and Mafia people, they just work together. They were Mafia as indicated by their red titles. Ergo, their partnership is irrelevant to the factions within this game since, as part of the Mafia, their roles would have been two-fold; To work with the Mafia and to work with each other.

Originally Posted by [M] Fran ^

So, since there are only two Lovers, your attempts at connecting two more people to that group is pretty faulty.

See above.

Originally Posted by [M] Fran ^

Ok, so I can't vote for someone based on ridiculously convoluted "makes no sense" post a la Ramza, but YOU can be suspicious of the same thing in Edgar? No. It doesn't work that way. You can't try and lynch someone for behavior that you yourself are exhibiting.

I said the complete opposite; that Edgar's erratic behaviours meant I couldn't vote for him. He has said and done certain things in the past that make me suspicious, but his overall plan of action is all over the place. This may be a ruse, or a special role. Regardless, everytime I think there's a reason to lynch him something comes up for me to think otherwise. Hence I'm voting for the people who I believe are most likely to be Mafia based on voting patterns, which in this case is you.

Originally Posted by [M] Quina ^

Barret: If you're going to lump me in with the Lovers, you're going to have to come up with some explanation as to what the Lovers actually are. I don't go for foursomes.

See above.

[[M] Severus Snape]

Originally Posted by [M] Quina ^

Barret: If you're going to lump me in with the Lovers, you're going to have to come up with some explanation as to what the Lovers actually are. I don't go for foursomes.

I will say that after attempting to read through all of these posts and try to come up with some suspects I've found you the most suspicious so far. Irvine (a confirmed guilty person) was quick to take you off of his suspect list and defended Lulu (a confirmed guilty person):

Originally Posted by [M] Irvine ^

Well, Quina's off my suspect list. For now.

I think Lulu's suspicion is unfounded, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's Mafia; she may have just interpreted some of Edgar's posts incorrectly in the interim between the two quotes mentioned previously.

Now then, with Quina no longer being a prime suspect of mine, and my opinion on Lulu, the current prime suspect, being readily available above, who do I suspect now? Apologies for the overuse of "suspect". My thoughts on that is that it may be because you are guilty too.

Then he pointed his finger towards Cyan (a confirmed innocent person) as well as me (unconfirmed innocent person). That's why I'm thinking that those people on this list he went after are possibly innocent:

Originally Posted by [M] Irvine ^

Vivi - Voted for Edge, the only person not yet to post in this thread. Mafia voting for a random known non-Mafia? Or, a sneaky plan by Vivi as a Mafia to vote for one of his fellow Mafia, who hadn't posted, just as a seemingly random vote to draw attention away from both of them?

Edge - See Vivi, but obviously no evidence as of yet. Hardly a strong suspect in my eyes, but there's always the possibility.

Cyan - As mentioned by Firion, Cyan started the voting for Rydia with a bunch of evidence that seven of us, not knowing any better, followed nigh-blindly. I was one of them, of course. Now that Rydia has turned out to be an oddly-posting Townie, Cyan's arguments look more suspicious, as Firion pointed out.

So Vivi and Cyan are the big ones for me right now. No vote as of yet, of course.

That would make Lulu and Quina Irvine's partners in crime.

[[M] Voldemort]

*Eyes implode*

Alright, I have a few things I'm still questioning about.

I still don't think the Lovers are part of the actual mafia faction. Everytime a mafia role is unvieled (or at least in the previous games), it said "Mafia ______". Last game there was a mafian bomb, but it was made very clear he was on the mafia side. So imo if the Lovers where part of the Mafia, it would've said Mafia Lover (Doctor).

[[M] Slowpoke]

Originally Posted by [M] Barret ^

Actually the Lover role in Mafia is either a pair that win if they're both alive by the end of the game, or one where if one dies so does the other. Since Lulu died and Irvine followed, I would say that gives us the second lot.

I would just like to point out that only on the last page was it re-pointed out that the Lovers in this game are not the Lovers from the Mafia flash.