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[NorthernChaosGod]

Originally Posted by Arrianna ^

Originally Posted by farplaner ^

Originally Posted by Æ¿æƒ2 ^

Originally Posted by Arrianna ^

Originally Posted by Æ¿æƒ2 ^

I've heard that Rap is an acronym for "rhythm and poetry" which if it's true, then no rap isn't music. Because if it was, then stupid beatniks reciting poetry to some bongos would have to be considered music too.

Yes, and no one argues that beatnik freeform is music but it was never so popular either. If it had been you can be sure that there would be claims it was. It is as if by saying it's music they somehow become "legitimate". I just don't see the point. Why not accept what it is and rejoice in it? It's not like it is lessened by not being music, only by how it is expressed. Oh, how popular expression lesses it every year.

At least someone acknowledges what I say, sheesh. Hell, even if it isn't music, I listen to some of it. I genuinely like a small portion of rap.

Yes, Arianna acknowledges what you say and ignores everyone else who has sense enough to know that: what "music" is can't be contained within a box. Rap is music like it or not/ ignore the fact or not. Music takes a great variety of forms.

If you say rap isn't music, you might as well say Pluto isn't a planet....
uh, oh- wait a minute!!

Not ignore, dissagree.

I used to believe Rap was music. Then I was exposed to real music and discovered just how insufficient Rap was. I became educated on the subject.

I also learned the beauty of language. It has meaning and nuance. The culture who creates it defines it. So yes, music has a definition (your box) and yes, it takes many forms.

So I'll just recap; Rap can be used to make music but by itself is not music.


@farplaner: A lady does not reveal her age and a gentleman does not ask.

I like you.

[lovehurts]

Originally Posted by Æ¿æƒ2 ^

Originally Posted by Arrianna ^

Originally Posted by farplaner ^

Originally Posted by Æ¿æƒ2 ^

Originally Posted by Arrianna ^

Originally Posted by Æ¿æƒ2 ^

I've heard that Rap is an acronym for "rhythm and poetry" which if it's true, then no rap isn't music. Because if it was, then stupid beatniks reciting poetry to some bongos would have to be considered music too.

Yes, and no one argues that beatnik freeform is music but it was never so popular either. If it had been you can be sure that there would be claims it was. It is as if by saying it's music they somehow become "legitimate". I just don't see the point. Why not accept what it is and rejoice in it? It's not like it is lessened by not being music, only by how it is expressed. Oh, how popular expression lesses it every year.

At least someone acknowledges what I say, sheesh. Hell, even if it isn't music, I listen to some of it. I genuinely like a small portion of rap.

Yes, Arianna acknowledges what you say and ignores everyone else who has sense enough to know that: what "music" is can't be contained within a box. Rap is music like it or not/ ignore the fact or not. Music takes a great variety of forms.

If you say rap isn't music, you might as well say Pluto isn't a planet....
uh, oh- wait a minute!!

Not ignore, dissagree.

I used to believe Rap was music. Then I was exposed to real music and discovered just how insufficient Rap was. I became educated on the subject.

I also learned the beauty of language. It has meaning and nuance. The culture who creates it defines it. So yes, music has a definition (your box) and yes, it takes many forms.

So I'll just recap; Rap can be used to make music but by itself is not music.


@farplaner: A lady does not reveal her age and a gentleman does not ask.

I like you.

She's very smart and very taken.

[Araciel]

phepp... returner scum!

[Mirage]

Hip Hop = music.
Rap = a sort of rythmical talking.

That being said, I don't really like either. It's got to have funny lyrics if I'm going to like it. "hoe bitch nigga" won't cut it.

[The Unknown Guru]

I don't mind old-school rap with minimal swearing and legible lyrics. However, you have to admit that it takes a certain talent to do modern rap (i.e. talking fast).

[Aurey]

This thread is ridiculous! How can you say what is and isn't music, you have no right. Just because you listen to "real music" (wtf does that mean anyway?) doesn't give you a right. Jezzum Christmas, people.

I listen to a lot of strange stuff (noise, ambient blahblahblah), but I still consider it music. It's pushing boundaries, it's weird, it doesn't hold much in it, you can't rock out to it, but it doesn't mean that it isn't music. That type of music or sound quirks my interest, it's inspriring for me, therefore I think it is music for me. I've always seen music as an emotion, sure there's a ton of crap out there, but people listen to it, and people ENJOY it, people can relate, people can get an emotion from it, people enjoy/have love for what I call crap. Music is just like television, sports, and etc., it can be treated as entetainment. Basically, it means a lot of diffrent things for different people.

Music is constantly changing. Mainstream rap has undergone an amazing change, or maybe it's audience has, or maybe... I don't know. All I know is that people like it for various reasons, and you telling them that Iron Maiden is ten times better isn't going to do much. I know it hasn't for me, it's just made want to beat myself over the head repeatedly with something heavy. Let them enjoy it if they enjoy it.

I tried my best not repeat some people, since a lot of really intellingent things have been said already (see: DK, Shiny, El Bandito to namedrop). Sorry. ;o

[lovehurts]

Originally Posted by Aurey ^

This thread is ridiculous! How can you say what is and isn't music, you have no right. Just because you listen to "real music" (wtf does that mean anyway?) doesn't give you a right. Jezzum Christmas, people. Are you that close minded?

I listen to a lot of strange stuff (noise, ambient blahblahblah), but I still consider it music. It's pushing boundaries, it's weird, it doesn't hold much in it, you can't rock out to it, but it doesn't mean that it isn't music. That type of music or sound quirks my interest, it's inspriring for me, therefore I think it is music for me. I've always seen music as an emotion, sure there's a ton of crap out there, but people listen to it, and people ENJOY it, people can relate, people can get an emotion from it, people enjoy/have love for what I call crap. Music is just like television, sports, and etc., it can be treated as entetainment. Basically, it means a lot of diffrent things for different people.

Music is constantly changing. Mainstream rap has undergone an amazing change, or maybe it's audience has, or maybe... I don't know. All I know is that people like it for various reasons, and you telling them that Iron Maiden is ten times better isn't going to do much. I know it hasn't for me, it's just made want to beat myself over the head repeatedly with something heavy. Let them enjoy it if they enjoy it.

I tried my best not repeat some people, since a lot of really intellingent things have been said already (see: DK, Shiny, El Bandito to namedrop). Sorry. ;o

Well if you want to be open minded about peoples opinions then you cant call those opinions close minded.

See there's the whole conversation thing you established after that remark. I obviously was open minded enough with this thread to reach out or appeal to you. Just because I think differently it doesnt make me closed minded. Any way about it calling me closed minded for an opinion that I never stated as fact and never pleaded for everyone to agree with it is ....well um closed minded.

[farplaner]

Originally Posted by Shiny ^

Originally Posted by Arrianna ^

I used to believe Rap was music. Then I was exposed to real music and discovered just how insufficient Rap was. I became educated on the subject.

How did you become educated if you still believe rap isn't music?

Originally Posted by Aurey

This thread is ridiculous! How can you say what is and isn't music, you have no right. Just because you listen to "real music" (wtf does that mean anyway?) doesn't give you a right. Jezzum Christmas, people. Are you that close minded?

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Arrianna

@farplaner: A lady does not reveal her age and a gentleman does not ask.

I never asked for your age. And who said I was a gentleman, anyway?