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[John_912]

Deadshot could probably work in Nolan's film because he's just a sniper and Bane could possibly be a guy who's pumped up on steroids...But Bane and Deadshot aren't enough you need one more villian.

[Coma]

I'd probably say Catwoman as a side villain/love interest. Since Poison Ivy is out of the question due to the whole superpower thing. And Penguin will not be used. Nolan said he wanted to avoid the Penguin, because all the Penguin is, is a dude with lots of money who can command birds. Not the greatest villain.

[John_912]

Originally Posted by Coma ^

I'd probably say Catwoman as a side villain/love interest. Since Poison Ivy is out of the question due to the whole superpower thing. And Penguin will not be used. Nolan said he wanted to avoid the Penguin, because all the Penguin is, is a dude with lots of money who can command birds. Not the greatest villain.

You know The Dark Knight sequel would really come full circle if Spoiler: Harvey Dent/Two-Face came back because then Gotham PD would know that Batman is not a killer...But Two-Face is dead and people can't come back from the dead.

[Bunny]

You cannot say with 100% certainty that Spoiler:  Two-Face is dead and cannot come back in the sequel. His "death scene" was ambiguous enough to warrant a possible return, along with several people connected to The Dark Knight, including a producer and Aaron Eckhart himself, saying that he may not be dead and could possibly return for the next movie.

[John_912]

Originally Posted by Bunny ^

You cannot say with 100% certainty that Spoiler: Two-Face is dead and cannot come back in the sequel. His "death scene" was ambiguous enough to warrant a possible return, along with several people connected to The Dark Knight, including a producer and Aaron Eckhart himself, saying that he may not be dead and could possibly return for the next movie.

Spoiler: Well if Selina Kyle could survive a seven story fall I guess Two-Face could survive a four story fall.

[Ouch!]

Ever since I heard the rumor regarding the Riddler and the Penguin as the next villains to be featured in Nolan's Batman series--played by Depp and Hoffman, no less--I've thought it's a pretty fantastic idea.

The Riddler is a villain driven primarily by an obsessive compulsion. His core defining trait is that he must leave a clue to his crime beforehand. The reason for this compulsion varies in different visions of his character from the comics, and I'm sure Nolan could find one that would be sufficient and consistent with the theme he's aiming for. As long as the Riddler maintains this compulsion, Nolan's free to make him as dark or twisted as he desires without risking damaging the character. Unlike some other Batman villains, he's fairly malleable in that regard and therefore very conducive to new media.

The Penguin, on the other hand, is a mob boss. I'd expect Nolan to stay away from the Danny DeVito characterization of the Penguin. While some people may think having the Penguin as a mere mob boss would be stale and rehashed, I think they're neglecting another important part of the Penguin's role in the comics. The Penguin, at a point, opens a lounge which is most obviously a mere front for seedier activities. However, Batman gives the lounge a grudging seal of approval. This is because the Penguin serves as an informant on occasion regarding the happenings of Gotham's underground.

Consider Batman's position at the end of the Dark Knight. He's a complete social outcast--a villain as far as most of Gotham is concerned. He can no longer rely on the police to be at his side--they're chasing him. This is the perfect time for the Penguin to show up.

The real brilliance of the combination of the Penguin and the Riddler, however, is how well they compliment one another. The Riddler is defined by an obsessive compulsion which requires him to leave various clues in the form of riddles as to what his next objective is. If Batman cannot rely on police intelligence to solve the riddles, would the Penguin not be an amazing source of information? It would certainly be a reluctant alliance--perhaps a mutually beneficial but mutually hostile symbiotic relationship. The Penguin would provide information to help Batman take down the Riddler--the likely more dangerous and more immediate threat--in exchange for Batman's acceptance of the Penguin's less-than-legal activities.

I think when people dismiss the Penguin they're too quickly dismissing him as merely a mob boss when really Nolan could focus on other aspects of his character to avoid it becoming a rehash of what Batman Begins and The Dark Knight have already exposed. Also, last I checked, the Penguin doesn't actually control birds, he just loves them. Other than that, he's a fairly normal guy (although sometimes he's shown with a sort of waddle as a result of a bad hip, which combined with his pointed nose and love for birds, explains his nickname).

[Heath]

I was thinking that perhaps Black Mask could work. Given that after Batman Begins a lot of the criminals were out in Gotham again and that the Joker messed around with the hierarchy of various gangs a bit, it wouldn't be too implausible for him to appear. I think he's probably one of the better Batman villains as well.

I'm torn on the issue of the Riddler. I like the character, but I don't really like Johnny Depp that much. Certainly feel that Depp would lend something to the character and I'm unable - off the top of my head - to name a better idea for an actor. I also quite like the sound of Ouch!'s idea for Batman working with the Penguin against the Riddler.

[Dolentrean]

Ouch! just won. In my opinion that is the best idea for the next Batman movie I have heard yet.

One of my coworkers believes that Bane is going to be in the next movie, and that he is going to be the man that was on the criminal boat, Spoiler: the one who tossed the detonator out the window.

He thinks this becuase was a large man, and one shot showed the scaring on his neck. I think that it is just wishful thinking and he is grasping because he likes Bane. Not any solid evidence, but enough for speculation.