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[Boney King]

Deadshot was in Gotham Knight already, I would be surprised if they brought him back.

I would love to see Catwoman (NOT played by Angelina Jolie, wtf is wrong with people). I agree that the Riddler seems like a low-rate Joker, but done right he could be fantastic, and he's probably the most likely choice. A great chance to finally examine those detective skills of Batman.

My personal (read: fanboy) choice would be to see the Ventriloquist/Scarface, but because they're pretty minor, I expect if ANYTHING they'll be a cameo, like Zsasz in Batman Begins.

I'm not familiar with Black Mask, but he sounds cool.

[bipper]

Originally Posted by Boney King ^

I would love to see Catwoman (NOT played by Angelina Jolie, wtf is wrong with people). I agree that the Riddler seems like a low-rate Joker, but done right he could be fantastic, and he's probably the most likely choice. A great chance to finally examine those detective skills of Batman.

I agree, no sexy, sassy, well known actress could pull off catwoman. They would need a very, very, special kinda - and I cannot think of any big named actresses that could nail it. Cat woman has a sort of mystique and class that is just whored down by modern big name actresses.

I very much disagree that the riddler is another joker. As an avid and long time fan of batman, I remember the joker being much more menasing and explosively insane. I think Nolan had the closest ideal joker I have seen in a long time. I think too many people look to the animated series joker, when really, they should remember the rand rocket launcher which ... well, sholdn't spoil that for people who go back and read. Either way, the Joker, is an Evil son of a bitch, as has been stated by Gotham's finest. I feel that the other incarnations of the joker really hybrid the Joker into more of the fun loving Riddler.

In short, the joker is demented-evil-clown, the riddler is witty, compulsive, and fun loving in what he does. I think Spoiler:  the guy that finds out Batman's identity in the movie will make a bigger appearance in the next film, and at first, I thought he was going to pop in as a riddler-esque character, just based on his actions and expressions.

Therefore, I really do not see true joker and true riddler as being too similar by any right. Aside form the fact that they thoroughly like what they do, when they do it. I think Nolan's riddler will be the next villain, because I feel that he is trying to bring the batman back to the darkness which it should have shared with its roots.

I agree with your last thought too, about bringing more detective into the mix. So far, the detective side has been following the bond style mystery line and not that of the holmes. That would be a cool critique to take on the third.

[John_912]

Hey would The Mad Hatter work or is he too silly to be Nolan's film?

[Fonz]

Originally Posted by Ouch! ^

Ever since I heard the rumor regarding the Riddler and the Penguin as the next villains to be featured in Nolan's Batman series--played by Depp and Hoffman, no less--I've thought it's a pretty fantastic idea.

The Riddler is a villain driven primarily by an obsessive compulsion. His core defining trait is that he must leave a clue to his crime beforehand. The reason for this compulsion varies in different visions of his character from the comics, and I'm sure Nolan could find one that would be sufficient and consistent with the theme he's aiming for. As long as the Riddler maintains this compulsion, Nolan's free to make him as dark or twisted as he desires without risking damaging the character. Unlike some other Batman villains, he's fairly malleable in that regard and therefore very conducive to new media.

The Penguin, on the other hand, is a mob boss. I'd expect Nolan to stay away from the Danny DeVito characterization of the Penguin. While some people may think having the Penguin as a mere mob boss would be stale and rehashed, I think they're neglecting another important part of the Penguin's role in the comics. The Penguin, at a point, opens a lounge which is most obviously a mere front for seedier activities. However, Batman gives the lounge a grudging seal of approval. This is because the Penguin serves as an informant on occasion regarding the happenings of Gotham's underground.

Consider Batman's position at the end of the Dark Knight. He's a complete social outcast--a villain as far as most of Gotham is concerned. He can no longer rely on the police to be at his side--they're chasing him. This is the perfect time for the Penguin to show up.

The real brilliance of the combination of the Penguin and the Riddler, however, is how well they compliment one another. The Riddler is defined by an obsessive compulsion which requires him to leave various clues in the form of riddles as to what his next objective is. If Batman cannot rely on police intelligence to solve the riddles, would the Penguin not be an amazing source of information? It would certainly be a reluctant alliance--perhaps a mutually beneficial but mutually hostile symbiotic relationship. The Penguin would provide information to help Batman take down the Riddler--the likely more dangerous and more immediate threat--in exchange for Batman's acceptance of the Penguin's less-than-legal activities.

I think when people dismiss the Penguin they're too quickly dismissing him as merely a mob boss when really Nolan could focus on other aspects of his character to avoid it becoming a rehash of what Batman Begins and The Dark Knight have already exposed. Also, last I checked, the Penguin doesn't actually control birds, he just loves them. Other than that, he's a fairly normal guy (although sometimes he's shown with a sort of waddle as a result of a bad hip, which combined with his pointed nose and love for birds, explains his nickname).

Someone close this thread since it's over and all after this post.

[Breine]

That's one great post Ouch!, and very interesting.

I'd personally like to see a female villain for the next movie - Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Harley Quin or whatever. I just think it'd be very interesting and create an entirely new dynamic. Also, always had a soft spot for Catwoman and strong female characters in general.

[Miriel]

Beaks: And now the obligatory question: can you conceive of any way in which you might be back in--

Aaron Eckhart: (Laughs) No.

Beaks: Not a chance?

Eckhart: No. I'm dead. I couldn't even get the words out of my mouth. "Hey, Chris, am I--?" "No. You're dead. You're dead."

Beaks: Because there has been a discussion amongst some fans about how he's never seen in the coffin.

Eckhart: Well, it'd be easier than anything to bring him back, but... it's like Chris said on the tour. He wasn't thinking about the next movie when he made [THE DARK KNIGHT]. All the vegetables were in this stew. I think that this franchise has shown that it doesn't have to bring back characters. I mean, there's still Catwoman. I've heard Angelina Jolie really wants to do Catwoman; I think that's a fantastic idea. I'll be a happy audience member this time.

And what's gone on with Heath and everything... I think Heath was the one that was going to come back. And since he can't... (Pauses) You know, Chris hasn't said that he's going to make another one.

Beaks: True. He's been on vacation. I spoke to David Goyer at Comic Con, and he said there have been no discussions.

Eckhart: (Smiling) He never said he's going to make another one. I'm sure they drove the Brinks truck up to his house and dumped money on his lawn. But I think Chris wants to go out and make other movies, too. And he should. He's an independent filmmaker at heart. He's got a lot of ideas.

Beaks: He's also got THE PRISONER somewhere in development. Maybe there would be something for you in that?

Eckhart: Give him a call. I mean, I'd love to work with Chris again. But he and Christian [Bale] have such a great thing going.

Source.

I think Angelina Jolie as Catwoman is a disgusting idea. Eva Green on the other hand would be smokin' in that role.

[Big D]

Originally Posted by Miriel ^

Beaks: He's also got THE PRISONER somewhere in development.

This has got 'good' written all over it, assuming they do it right. Another remake, sure, but if they're going to insist on releasing nothing but remakes then they might as well remake something awesome.

As for the rest of what was said... well, it pretty much lays to rest any speculation about a return for Two-Face.

I read somewhere that Nolan's said he wants his Batman flicks to focus mainly on villains who haven't played a big part in the movies, and that Joker and Dent were an exception to this general rule. After all, Scarecrow and al-Ghul had never been in a Batman film until [i]Batman Begins[/b]. There are so very many lesser-known villains he could choose from, before resorting to characters who are so overused as to be cliches in their own right.

[Roto13]

Originally Posted by Boney King ^

Deadshot was in Gotham Knight already, I would be surprised if they brought him back.

He was a pretty big pussy in it, too.