EOFF - Best Comedians! - Page 5

ljkkjlcm9 · 05-12-2008, 06:44 PM

I don't care who writes a joke. Fact is, Carlos Mencia got the same crap that Dane cook was getting for "stealing jokes." It all boils down to the fact that they ended up performing the joke better. The crappy comedians they "stole" from are just jealous. Comedy isn't just about the jokes, it's about the performance.

This is why no one can copy Mitch Hedberg. Even when one of my friends or someone references the joke, we all picture Hedberg saying it. And someone who hasn't heard Mitch say it, is confused as to why it is so funny. Being a Stand-up isn't just about the joke, you have to make a show of it, have a way of saying it and such. This is why Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia were popular. While the people who they "stole" jokes from are not.

On top of that, I think something like jokes is a dumb complaint about stealing. If we really want to get into it, how many times have songs been copied, movies seemed almost identical, tv shows all stemming from the same idea. Example: ER was the first huge doctor show I could think of. Now how many are there that are basically just rip-offs of that. Sure they change a bunch of things around, but it's still blatant rip-offs. Do I care? No, because some of the rip-offs change things around and make it far better. House is now my favorite doctor show out there. This is how it is with jokes. While the basis of it may be the same, and what not, changing around a few words can make a HUGE difference. Changing the story can make it completely different. That's why I hate people that quote Mitch Hedberg and don't do it word for word.... because his word selection is one of the key things that makes him hilarious.

Oh, and how many Comedians do you think have made jokes about President Bush, that are almost identical to eachother. If I'm watching a Comedian on comedy central and they start a bush joke, I'm done with them. I've heard any joke you could possibly make about him countless times, yet every time it's a new comedian doing the same jokes. Half of their jokes originated on something that wasn't even a comedy show, just someone poking fun at Bush.

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Roto13 · 05-12-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9 ^

I don't care who writes a joke. Fact is, Carlos Mencia got the same crap that Dane cook was getting for "stealing jokes." It all boils down to the fact that they ended up performing the joke better. The crappy comedians they "stole" from are just jealous.

That's just about the most idiotic thing I've ever read. Plagiarism is stealing. Taking someone elses work and selling it without the actual creator and person behind the work getting anything for it. How can anyone honestly not see how that's wrong? And jealousy? Seriously? Is that the kind of logic floating around in your head? "Oh, Jesus, that guy stole my car. I'm so jealous."

some of the rip-offs change things around and make it far better.

Dane Cook doesn't do that. He tweaks one or two words around an regurgitates someone elses jokes almost verbatim. House isn't a ripoff of ER. ER didn't invent hospitals. House takes one element from ER. That's completely different from just copying the show entirely.

ljkkjlcm9 · 05-12-2008, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Roto13 ^

Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9 ^

I don't care who writes a joke. Fact is, Carlos Mencia got the same crap that Dane cook was getting for "stealing jokes." It all boils down to the fact that they ended up performing the joke better. The crappy comedians they "stole" from are just jealous.

That's just about the most idiotic thing I've ever read. Plagiarism is stealing. Taking someone elses work and selling it without the actual creator and person behind the work getting anything for it. How can anyone honestly not see how that's wrong? And jealousy? Seriously? Is that the kind of logic floating around in your head? "Oh, Jesus, that guy stole my car. I'm so jealous."

Comparing stealing a car to a joke is absurd. You may not think so, but it is. It's always been hard to hold a copyright on intellectual property. And while you may think it's absurd, it happens countless times, over and over again. The only reason it becomes a factor is when the person copying does better than the original. Seriously, if these Comedians were no bigger than the original, no one would care. That is also a fact.

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Roto13 · 05-12-2008, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9 ^

Originally Posted by Roto13 ^

Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9 ^

I don't care who writes a joke. Fact is, Carlos Mencia got the same crap that Dane cook was getting for "stealing jokes." It all boils down to the fact that they ended up performing the joke better. The crappy comedians they "stole" from are just jealous.

That's just about the most idiotic thing I've ever read. Plagiarism is stealing. Taking someone elses work and selling it without the actual creator and person behind the work getting anything for it. How can anyone honestly not see how that's wrong? And jealousy? Seriously? Is that the kind of logic floating around in your head? "Oh, Jesus, that guy stole my car. I'm so jealous."

Comparing stealing a car to a joke is absurd. You may not think so, but it is. It's always been hard to hold a copyright on intellectual property. And while you may think it's absurd, it happens countless times, over and over again. The only reason it becomes a factor is when the person copying does better than the original. Seriously, if these Comedians were no bigger than the original, no one would care. That is also a fact.

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I can guarantee you I would sure as

care if someone was taking credit and money for my work. And what the hell is Dane Cook doing better than Louis C.K.? Making funny faces? Because it certainly isn't writing. Delivery is important, but good writing is the backbone.

Lot's of things happen a lot that shouldn't. But I guess the logic that dictates the only reason someone can be pissed off about plagiarism is jealousy would also be twisted (and stupid) enough to dictate that something happening too much is automatically justified.

ljkkjlcm9 · 05-12-2008, 09:19 PM

What's Dane Cook doing? I've heard of him, and I've never heard of Louis C.K. or whatever.

On top of that, I never said it was "justified" I just don't care. It's always a bunch of comedians I know nothing about and have never heard of, yelling and complaining about a bunch of huge comedians that everyone seems to know. If that joke was really the difference maker in that comedians career, I'd know the original one too. That's what gets to me. Clearly that joke isn't the significant turning point for this famous Comedian. If it were, it would've made the other comedian a huge success as well. In fact, the three jokes that Dane Cook stole from Louis CK, are some of the worst ones he tells. So honestly, I just don't care.

it's like Daniel Tosh has a joke about how rappers, who talk like they are hardcore gangsters and such, complaining about people stealing their music online. They talk about stealing, raping, shooting people... and then complain about someone downloading music. How can I honestly care about these rappers complaining?

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Dolentrean · 05-12-2008, 09:22 PM

If I wrote a joke, and someone stole it, I don't know about you, but I would be pretty damn pissed, not jelious. Anyone who says otherwise is probobly lying.

Dane Cook, I admit I find him ammusing, but he is not a great comic. He does steal material, its there simple and clean, but the fact is, Dane Cook didn't get to be popular on his talent. After Dave Chepelle buzz started dying down, they needed a new poster boy for comedy, the picked an ammusing and more importantly, good looking comic to be there front man.

ljkkjlcm9 · 05-12-2008, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Dolentrean ^

If I wrote a joke, and someone stole it, I don't know about you, but I would be pretty damn pissed, not jelious. Anyone who says otherwise is probobly lying.

I just listened to the comparison jokes that he stole, and they're different enough, and I found Dane Cooks versions far funnier. Ok, one if a guy on a bike running into a car door, the other is a guy getting hit by a car crossing the street. One is naming a kid fffffffffffffff, and the other is naming it after the chewy sound. Seriously, I've heard a number of people do jokes about getting hit by cars, or peoples names. Yet these are similar enough that people say it's blatant copying. I don't think it was, but that's just me. Now if it were identical it'd be one thing, but they weren't

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Roto13 · 05-12-2008, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9 ^

What's Dane Cook doing? I've heard of him, and I've never heard of Louis C.K. or whatever.

On top of that, I never said it was "justified" I just don't care. It's always a bunch of comedians I know nothing about and have never heard of, yelling and complaining about a bunch of huge comedians that everyone seems to know. If that joke was really the difference maker in that comedians career, I'd know the original one too. That's what gets to me. Clearly that joke isn't the significant turning point for this famous Comedian. If it were, it would've made the other comedian a huge success as well. In fact, the three jokes that Dane Cook stole from Louis CK, are some of the worst ones he tells. So honestly, I just don't care.

Louis C.K. is off polishing his Emmy he got for comedy writing. That's what he's doing.

Dane Cook barely even has any jokes. He has setups followed by weird noises. Those aren't jokes. That's literally infant-level humour.