Eyes on Final Fantasy Forums > General > The Lounge > The DBZ movie seems to be a DB movie

[Behold the Void]

Lord Rimoah, that kind of language and general attitude towards other members is completely uncalled-for and not tolerated on this site.

The rest of you could stand to be a bit politer as well.

Let's play nice, children.

[Goldenboko]

This looks so... awful!

[Elite Lord Sigma]

I'm personally hoping that this is either so bad that it's awesome, actually great, or hilariously cheesy. Goku's hair does seem disappointing, though.

[DMKA]

Originally Posted by Lord Rimoah ^

Yeah, great lame-ass excuses, but you still have acknowledged the point: Demographic bull.

You don't sound any better, since you're incredibly hung up on him being portrayed by a "Caucasian American" actor. What should he be? A black guy from the Dominican Republic? An Latino guy from Honduras?

Either way, you're being incredibly racist.

If you knew about anime, they don't look "asian" as you say because in anime, slanted eyes are considered "shady" and reserved for shady characters. This is why Astro Boy looked... well, "non-asian" as you would say it.

And if you "knew about anime" you'd know they don't look human, much less like a particular race, but there are anime like Jin-Roh and Paprika where the people do in fact resemble their Japanese origins. Not that I really care since 99% of it they have plastic hair and eyes that take up half their skull.

And I'll get over it if you can get over yourself and actually give a good reason why I should 'get over'... It's that kind of attitude why it's been getting over people all this time in the first place you smurfstick!

Pineapple.

[Lord Rimoah]

Originally Posted by DMKA ^

Originally Posted by Lord Rimoah ^

Yeah, great lame-ass excuses, but you still have acknowledged the point: Demographic bull.

You don't sound any better, since you're incredibly hung up on him being portrayed by a "Caucasian American" actor. What should he be? A black guy from the Dominican Republic? An Latino guy from Honduras?

Either way, you're being incredibly racist.

If you knew about anime, they don't look "asian" as you say because in anime, slanted eyes are considered "shady" and reserved for shady characters. This is why Astro Boy looked... well, "non-asian" as you would say it.

And if you "knew about anime" you'd know they don't look human, much less like a particular race, but there are anime like Jin-Roh and Paprika where the people do in fact resemble their Japanese origins. Not that I really care since 99% of it they have plastic hair and eyes that take up half their skull.

And I'll get over it if you can get over yourself and actually give a good reason why I should 'get over'... It's that kind of attitude why it's been getting over people all this time in the first place you smurfstick!

Pineapple.

Actually as I stated earlier, I would prefer that he be portrayed by an ASIAN actor. More than half the cast is Asian, so why suddenly put an American White Guy as the lead character from a Manga/Anime that was inspired by an ancient Chinese (Asian) fable?

And I know I SOUND racist, I'm not trying to be, but I'm trying to point out the racism in American movies that always has a Caucasian as the Great White-Warrior from beyond. It's the image of Demographic Dominance that I found to be subliminal racism. Just like the argument that people don't want to talk about: Why did they make Jesus "white"?

I mean, c'mon... The more people ignore this or push it off the more we'll have more of....


Movies like this:

The Last Samurai

10,000 B.C.

ABC's Adaption of "Moses" (2004 I think) (main characters white, everyone in the background; people of color)

The Wanderer (some movie about a european raised by Native

Americans and then fights these armored Vikings or something)

The Forbidden Kingdom (white hero from another time)

Heroes (TV Series) y'know what I'm talkin' about...

And so many others...


I apologize for my ugly outburst earlier, I too can be subjective to getting heated a discussion (if this can be called that).

But I think this is something to be acknowledge if "racism" is to be acknowledge in ALL aspects, blatant or otherwise.

It's something that I feel that just CAN'T be ignored any longer...

[Ouch!]

The target audience is primarily teenage caucasian males. This type of thing is to be expected, I think. It's a sound business decision, although perhaps not a sound story-telling decision. Regardless, it's something you're just going to have to learn to accept. Complaining about it on an internet forum (specifically one devoted to Final Fantasy and not Dragon Ball) isn't a productive way to raise awareness and counter this problem.

[Lord Rimoah]

Originally Posted by DMKA ^

Originally Posted by Lord Rimoah ^

Yeah, great lame-ass excuses, but you still have acknowledged the point: Demographic bull.

You don't sound any better, since you're incredibly hung up on him being portrayed by a "Caucasian American" actor. What should he be? A black guy from the Dominican Republic? An Latino guy from Honduras?

Either way, you're being incredibly racist.

If you knew about anime, they don't look "asian" as you say because in anime, slanted eyes are considered "shady" and reserved for shady characters. This is why Astro Boy looked... well, "non-asian" as you would say it.

And if you "knew about anime" you'd know they don't look human, much less like a particular race, but there are anime like Jin-Roh and Paprika where the people do in fact resemble their Japanese origins. Not that I really care since 99% of it they have plastic hair and eyes that take up half their skull.

And I'll get over it if you can get over yourself and actually give a good reason why I should 'get over'... It's that kind of attitude why it's been getting over people all this time in the first place you smurfstick!

Pineapple.

Originally Posted by Ouch! ^

The target audience is primarily teenage caucasian males. This type of thing is to be expected, I think. It's a sound business decision, although perhaps not a sound story-telling decision. Regardless, it's something you're just going to have to learn to accept. Complaining about it on an internet forum (specifically one devoted to Final Fantasy and not Dragon Ball) isn't a productive way to raise awareness and counter this problem.

This forum/thread is FOR such discussions. I'm talking about the subject matter: the film; and it's that "Something to learn to accept" attitude that would still have African American sitting at the back of the bus, so I REFUSE to be silent about what I feel. I'm voicing my opinion about the casting of THIS FILM and that's what this thread "THE LOUNGE" is for, not just secularly "Final Fantasy". Remember: I DID NOT START THIS THREAD... I'm participating just like anyone else.

And I don't care if the so-called "target audience" is Caucasian males (unproven I might add); DBZ in general has influenced hundreds if not thousands of young males of all "audiences"'. If it was about "money" alone, they would have done something called "Respecting the Source Material".

Kinda like what Disney did with "The Lion King" "Snow White" "Cinderella" and so on... Most kids thing DISNEY made these characters.

At least in "Gargoyles" they respected the the origins of the stories and cultural sources they pulled their stories from... Oh wait, Gargoyles was created and produced by Greg Weisman and Frank Paur, Disney just aired the show and took their name off as well....

So I'm not gonna "just accept it". I've done enough of that and I'm tired of it and saying what I got to say because it NEEDS to be said.

Thank you.

[Ouch!]

And while I applaud your enthusiasm, I just think that if you're aiming for some significant social change, you're starting in the wrong place. While I'm very much against racism in any form, I can't bring myself to care very much that Goku is being cast as a white male. It's Hollywood. It's been bastardizing stories for decades. It's one of those things to which I've grown accustomed and have even come to expect.

I respect your desire to instigate social change, I just think that this movie is so incredibly insignificant, it's not worth getting one's knickers into a twist.