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| Cid's Knight  |
#1  The Nature of Kingdom Hearts This has been bothering me for quite some time. Now its stated in the game that Kingdom Hearts is the world where all hearts originate from but there seems to be some conflict concerning what KH is actually like. In KHI, the place was a dark world where the Heartless reside and possibly originate from. In KH2, its still a world of darkness but surprisingly looks like the World That Never Was. Does KH reflect the heart of the one who seeks the door and opens it? I can see Ansem (Xehanort Apprentice) seeing KH as a world of darkness filled with Heartless and I can see Xemnas viewing it as a place of nothingness that all things begin and end as. Master Xehanort in the Birth By Sleep Secret Trailer even has the ability to summon the door to Kingdom Hearts whatever it may appear as in that game. So my question is, am I missing something here or am I on to something...  |
10-17-2009, 09:57 AM
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 |  I guess I won't know until I play the new KH game, but it sounds like normal inconsistencies that a lot of games/series like this have. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. This is why I'm always pleasantly surprised when a story of any kind manages to stay extremely consistent and includes a large degree of connection. |
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10-17-2009, 03:40 PM
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| Former Site Staff  | Except the problem here is that those "inconsistencies" were already explained away. We could reasonably figure that when the worlds got reset by Sora in the first game, its form got reset as well. Notice how in the first game, it was oozing darkness and infested with Heartless until Sora was all like "ZA WARUDO" and KH decided to turn on all of its lights. My leaning is that you're onto something, but it's largely unimportant, unless Mister Master Man's ability affects how KH is perceived by those who get close. If it does matter, then noticing means something. If not, then it just gives us an in-universe explanation for a possible designer oversight that can be applied after the fact. Either way, insignificant unless shown to be otherwise. Not that we should discourage any sound theory based on evidence and a little bit of rationality. |
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10-21-2009, 03:23 AM
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 |  Don't pay attention to anything that succeeds the original game! Kingdom Hearts has become a convoluted mess! It's been a while since I played the original game, but I remember Kingdom Hearts being light. Ansem thought that it was all-powerful darkness or something, but it's not. |
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10-21-2009, 04:11 AM
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| Former Site Staff | Not really. Your argument is invalidated anyways, since KHII is part of the canon of the universe. It's not like we can whisk away the second game just because we want to. This isn't FFX-2, KHII wasn't horrible or shameful, it was actually an excellent entry into the series. Additionally, you would have noticed that my post already covered the idea that KH is nothing but light. But if it must be explained further, it's more likely that KH is whatever it needs to be. If it is the Heart of the World, and the World changes, then the Heart must be whatever it has to be to sustain the operation of the World. |
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10-21-2009, 04:57 AM
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| Cid's Knight | I can't really buy into this though. Yes, Sora restored the worlds but it doesn't explain how KH became the way it is in KH2 since the door wasn't even open to it until the very end so the world becomes a realm of darkness again despite the Heartless not being present in the world. I'm just theorizing for the moment as I hope to see if we will learn more about KH in Birth By Sleep considering Master Xehanort was able to summon Kingdom Hearts and he is supposedly the last known Keyblade Master. I do feel I am onto something. If Kingdom Hearts is the place where all hearts are from, wouldn't it make since it would appear different to people to reflect their own hearts that came from there? (Course Xemnas might throw a monkey wrench into that one...). Its not that badly convulated, most of the real bullcrap in KH2 was there purely for dramatic purposes and doesn't heavily affect the main story whatsoever with the exception of Xehanort/Ansem/Xemnas stuff... I think we can still move on, especially since Chain of Memories is still the most superior entry in the series... The other thing that's different from KH1 and 2 is the method of which KH is found. In KH1, its a place in the heart of darkness where destroyed worlds go to, whereas in KH2, Order XIII artificially creates the doorway (or world). Not to mention that the Birth By Sleep trailer suggests its possible to summon Kingdom Hearts with the keyblade... |
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10-21-2009, 05:05 AM
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| | In my mind, Ansem is still just the big baddie of the first game - not the student of the real Ansem who wears a disguise in KHII and does secret things while the Heartless of his student takes the name "Ansem," and his Nobody equivalent calls himself "Xemnas," because "Xemnas" is "Ansem" with an "x" added; and the original Ansem calls himself something else (can't remember what). What the heck?  Just the addition of Nobodies mucked up KHII, though. It's akin to Takahashi's constant addition of Naraku incarnations and weapon upgrades in Inuyasha in order to stretch/saturate the story until it became unbearable. Basically, I feel that Kingdom Hearts doesn't deserve the amount of depth you guys are giving it. |
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10-21-2009, 06:47 AM
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