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...Wow. You guys amaze me. I don't know my droids as well as I thought I did, it seems.
Old 09-28-2009, 04:51 AM
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You are all terrible, terrible nerds.

And there is no way Vaan is Luke, because Vaan is about pointless to the story partway through the game.
Old 09-28-2009, 04:26 PM
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Vaan is completely pointless, except for the introduction of superior party members. It's a shame he's such a great tank really.
Old 09-28-2009, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Namelessfengir ^
i was wrong it was r5-d4 also known as skippy the jedi droid who blew his motivator so that fate would work out as we saw
You sure about that?

*Checks*

D4, that's what I was thinking of not R4.

Damn, you deserve a shiny title that says "Keeper of Star Wars knowledge".
Old 10-01-2009, 05:17 AM
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*ahem* Hello. I am back from self-imposed exile to explain Vaan = Luke. I agree he is pointless. Vaan, that is. The fact still stands that he is the main character. And he is an orphan. Being raised in a desert area. So, not really many similarities, but he had to be someone.










And he's blonde.
Old 10-02-2009, 07:06 AM
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But Vaan's not the main character... the development team has even stated that XII really has no actual "leading man".

From a story standpoint. Lady Ashe is the true main character cause the main goals and drama of the game are all about her. Vaan's plot ends once the party reaches Bhujerba and afterwards he's more of an observer until the very end with all the adult characters actually taking center stage.

Even when they were discussing who to put in Dissidia for XII, Vaan was not even a consideration. They were going to go with Balthier instead, despite Basch being the original lead character.

Saying Vaan is the lead in XII is like trying to decide who the main character is in VI and god knows no one likes being in that storm of a discussion...
Old 10-02-2009, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Quin ^
Vaan is completely pointless, except for the introduction of superior party members. It's a shame he's such a great tank statistically the most powerful character in the game really.
I think it's funny when people say something ripped off of Star Wars because Star Wars itself is hardly innovative in most any way. The whole plot follows a very formulaic model and lends little originality in the way of story-telling in the first place.

FFXII has a remarkable amount of depth to its plot. It's too bad that it gets hidden behind characters like Vaan who forcibly take center stage when they really have no business whatsoever being there.

Edit: I'd also argue that Basch is more of a leading character than Ashe. The beginning and end of the game both tend to focus on his circumstance more so than any other. Ashe is merely a means by which Basch can redeem himself.
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Yes, I do agree that Basch is still one of the major players but I feel the zenith moment of emotional expression in the game is the Sun-Cryst scene at the Pharos and despite Basch and Balthier both getting some great moments, its the part where Lady Ashe makes her final decision that is the centerpiece of this moment.

Its not just the fact the plot is about her situation its also that the main conflict is more about Lady Ashe deciding what to do. Should she get revenge or save her kingdom? I don't feel that Basch or Balthier have such moral dilemmas, they both have made their choices of what to do long before the game started and both stick to their code. Ashe grows while Basch and Balthier are just plain awesome.
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