Eyes on Final Fantasy Forums > Final Fantasy: The Smell of Fear > Final Fantasy XII > Is Vayne Solidor evil?

[Future Esthar]

I am not serapy

[Skyblade]

Sorry, wasn't meaning to imply that. It was more of an either/or thing.

[The Unknown Guru]

Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno ^

I really felt the writer intended for Vayne to be a tragic hero, but something happened in the production (like the mastermind of the project quitting) and the writer decided to write him as the atypical JRPG villain during the last battle. Its this last battle that smurfs up my reasoning cause Vayne basically does become a power hungry "god complex" villain with characteristics that are completely unfamilair of anything we've seen. We're talking smooth and calculating villain suddenly becoming like Kefka or Kuja literally between a cutscene and there is an inconsistency with the rest of the script concerning this. Throw in the fact that the whole final dungeon and last battle comes off really forced and unpolished. The whole thing reeks of a rush job in my opinion.

I always thought this was because he fully embraces Venat's power. He's cornered by the party, so he taps into Venat's power. He doesn't realize he wouldn't be able to handle it, so he goes insane. That's just my interpretation, though.

[Future Esthar]

I allways felt the main heros were supposed to fail their quest if it weren´t for the subtle influence of more humble persons (Vaan,Penelo,Dalan,etc...).
If weren´t for them Ashe would be dead,Bach would die with people blaming him forever,Larsa would not become emperor and nethicite would win over.
Because they were destined to.
Only something from the ghostly realm could change timeline.~
They would follow the destiny writed for them from the gods laughing on they heavenly abode.
(Pay close attention to this last words).

[Wolf Kanno]

Originally Posted by The Unknown Guru ^

I always thought this was because he fully embraces Venat's power. He's cornered by the party, so he taps into Venat's power. He doesn't realize he wouldn't be able to handle it, so he goes insane. That's just my interpretation, though.

If memory serves me correct, Vayne never mentions anything about becoming the Dynast-King until the last battle. He literally goes from trying to teach Larsa and being very composed in the cutscene proceeding your party entering Sky Fortress Bahamut; to suddenly " I'm the next Dynast-King!!! Suck on that Biatches!!! Larsa? Who the smurf is that? VAYNE SMASH!!!"

I felt the personality change and motive change was a bit too drastic. I'm not saying that Vayne never intended for world domination and this is proof it was added in (though I do believe this) but rather I just want to point out the inconsistency and poor writing. I just don't feel the story foreshadowed his true intentions well enough, otherwise, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Future Esthar]

This is not to meant Ashe or others weren´t heros.Of course they were.They overcome darkness on the decisions they had to take.

[qwertysaur]

I don't think he was evil like the other FF villains, but he was no saint either. Especially with (SPOILER) his killing his father and two older brothers.

I think he did want world domination as time went on, just not through the occurian but his own strength. Remember he was (SPOILER) planning on attacking Rozarria after fighting the resistance. His insanity at the end felt like a last ditch effort.

[Wolf Kanno]

You know, I always feel its unfair to nail him with taking out his brother's cause the game never said these were innocent or saint like. For all we know (and most likely) these guys were like Vayne and plotting to kill each other anyway so I can't really count this as a crime. Especially considering how common it is in real history.