Eyes on Final Fantasy Forums > Final Fantasy: The Smell of Fear > Final Fantasy XII > Is Vayne Solidor evil?

[Bolivar]

I put it like this: if you think the main point of a Yasumi Matsuno game is that there is no black & white, then you are a Matsuno character stuck inside one of his games.

Nearly all of the Ivalice stories chronicle how the protagonists are able to rise above and transcend the moral ambiguity that dominates their setting.

I suppose you could argue that Vayne is simply a product of the harsh environment he is apart of. And he obviously does believe in the strong have the will to power type philosophy of power politics, and that he thinks that is best. But being caught up in that is his sin, he's unable to see through the fog on his blind quest for power.

It's really sad at the end when (SPOILER) you see all the characters when they're younger and you think about how they were to become or the things that would happen to them

[Depression Moon]

Originally Posted by Bolivar ^

It's really sad at the end when (SPOILER) you see all the characters when they're younger and you think about how they were to become or the things that would happen to them

Younger? I don't remember that. I thought it showed them maybe a few months later.

I was willing to accept that Vayne might have been ambiguously righteous right up until he (SPOILER) started screaming and turned into a giant hulked-out demon monster at the end.

[Shattered Dreamer]

To be honest I don't think evil really fits Vayne he struck me as more misguided a guy so caught up in his own ambition he fails to see the right and wrong in a situation, an egomaniac!

[Sephiroth1999AD]

I didn't really consider Vayne to be the main villain until (SPOILER) you raid Bahamut. "Misguided" would probably describe him better than "evil". I forgot, did he commit any major atrocities during the game?

[Marky Tee]

.... you didn't????


nope sorry aha

he kinda reminded me of Cao Pi from dynasty warriors 5 a little bit though

[DarkMateria]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth1999AD ^

I didn't really consider Vayne to be the main villain until (SPOILER) you raid Bahamut. "Misguided" would probably describe him better than "evil". I forgot, did he commit any major atrocities during the game?

I believe (SPOILER) he ordered the judges to destryo Mt. Bur-omisace and kill the grand kiltias. Sounds like an atrocity to me.

[black orb]

Originally Posted by the AJman ^

I personally believe Vayne is evil, as evil as any power hungry dictator can be.
Vayne constantly justifies his actions to the characters in the game.

Vayne is a villian that doesn't at all see himself as a villian or a bad guy.

This gives the impression that what he is doing is for the good of mankind, but the methods he uses to achieve his goals are certainly less than noble..

>>> Dude, thats the worst kind of evil.
Vayne is like a handsome version of Adolf Hitler..

[Sephiroth1999AD]

Originally Posted by DarkMateria ^

I believe (SPOILER) he ordered the judges to destryo Mt. Bur-omisace and kill the grand kiltias. Sounds like an atrocity to me.

Ah, yeah. I thought something like that happened in the game. It definitely made the Empire seem more "evil", though there's another interesting point as well. I always thought Archades was a fascinating city, and visiting the city showed me that even if the Empire is evil, that doesn't mean their citizens are.