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[Wilder]

I have to say it, I have to say it !... I Saw the Blitzball FMV again and I noticed something very weird , Sin is absorbing everything , then when you are falling like in a dream (with that o - go down that still don´t know for what is it) you can see that strange mark that jecht have in his chest, the same on fire that you see in the last fight ( some relations about that mark?),he say father ?and bla bla bla , is pretty obvious that´s is the scene from the last fight .
Tidus is actually sucked up by sin, I mean, Sin is actually trowing tidus out of his body and that explain all that weird stuff about Sin being a portal between spira and dream zanarkand .
Later in the game we find that the way to beat sin is getting inside of it , And what we we find inside ?, Jecht, the mark of fire , And actually the dream zanarkand !, THE DREAM ZANARKAND IS INSIDE OF SIN. I´ve think about it and it make sense, The faith were pushed to dream forever a Zanarkand, and sin is forever, so, the only way that the faith stop dreaming is defeating sin . What about all that methaphora about never returning to zanarkand , At the end it happens in the last fight with jecht. I also tought that the ball of water that destroy zanarkand isn´t really the body of sin , something like the spirit with another image,I´m going to push it to expeculation and say that tha ball of water was jecht with the form of braska aeon, and you Can´t say , That´s not true !, because is very difficult to see, and my argument is ... well, the otherworld song in both intro and jecht fight ? , And yes, Auron say "We call it Sin", But, Jecht is already sin so... that explain it all. what about Sauron riding sin ?,dont you mean GETTING IN ?. What about sin being an armor , an armor in wich yevon could live in zanarkand forever. Why they took the chosen one´s from that zanarkand , why jecht , why tidus, ohhh i forgot, the only way to beat sin is from the inside right ?. You can also say that "the hymn of faith , very related to the ruins of zanarkand with the name of "returning to zanarkand" is only realted because jecht is inside of sin, no way, the whole zanarkand is inside of sin and that is why the song is so effective, Is in some dialogue, some about zanarkand living forever in this song. If Zanarkand isn´t inside sin, where is it ?, because say "Zanarkand never sleeps" and say "Sin never stop" is something very obvious.
All this answer a question that I had, The calm period of 10 years between braska Summoning ends just right when Jecht atack dream zanarkand ? (in The Blitzball FMV), in that moment Sin awakes in spira again ?, because if that´s correct Dream zanarkand is like frozen , with jecht in the plattform , and that´s why ject is already inside of sin, zanarkand inside of sin, and jecht and tidus don´t meet until tidus is throw out of zanarkand, Jecht was waiting tidus to be ready , so he could awake in the right moment.
what do you think ?, I´m searching for more arguments, I´ve never seen anybody telling this in any post so I think this is some good point to discuss. Throw the opinions NOW !

[ShivaBlizzard8]

Hmmm. . . the dream existing inside of Sin would make sense, giving it a physical place and adding to the ability of Sin to travel between the two locations. Also, it would work if the fayth dreaming Zanarkand were made into Sin, then that location makes sense.

It also would explain something I've always wondered about - why the image of Sin sleeping is its own FMV. Why bother? Perhaps it was a clue? I don't know, but it sounds like a good theory to me. Sin dies=dream Zanarkand gone.

[Lon611]

when sin dies it doesn't mean dream zanarkand is gone. they would have to Spoiler: defeat yu yevon, the greatest summoner who is summoning zanarkand, which they did.

its a very interesting theory. in fact, when sin starts to disentegrate over bevelle, you can actually see what appears to be some sort of building on top of his head. i kno its not inside, but everytime i see that fmv, im 100% positive its a building.

very interesting if jecht was infact the body of water attacking zanarkand, because if u think deeply about the story, it was more jechts story than nething else. he's the one who orchestrated everything, and who really wanted to end the dreaming of the fayth. what better way then to attack dream zanarkand and FORCE tidus to start his journey?

also, inside sin, it sort of looks like a weird type of star trek scenery; like everything is sort of advanced technology, kind of like how zanarkand was the great machina city. also, wasn't there a "tower of the dead"(?) i think its called inside sin?well, the ppl of zanarkand are dead. then again, it could just be where the dead go once they were killed by sin. i think it shows that after operation mi'hen all the dead soldiers walking around. i don't kno. i wanna hear more tho

[Wilder]

well lon66 , to kill sin you got to kill Yevon, It´s the same, so , when sin dies, so does yevon. I also saw that bunch of buildings on sin , but I didn´t related with anything (Busy trying not to be killed), thanks, that give strenght to the theory. I want to relate the dialogues to find out who is that masked kid hat is called "the faith" trought the game, I found that he says "don´t cry no more" a lot to tidus , just like Jecht does, Could this kid be some chracter that we already know ?, I dont swallow that thing of "rebelious Faith" o "we are tired of dream", but well . Keep give the opinion about zanarkand.

[bakabakabaka]

i agree about zanarkand being in sin. it makes sense..
Spoiler: arn't the faith the dead of zanarkand??? so they keep the dream of it alive IN sin. and yu yevon keeps them in sin.... i'm confused....
Spoiler: so whent the final aeon is summoned...that person becomes part of the dream??? and fuels sin??
i don't really know what i'm saying...

[rubah]

Wilder-- Yevon did not die when you killed Sin. He can exist without it, which is how he keeps living even though Sin is killed by the final summoning over and over.

The little kid is just a fayth(bahamut's, actually) that was deemed as a messanger boy. In ffx-2 Spoiler:  he shows up to yuna several times, like at right before the perfect ending, to tell her that they'll think of a way to bring tidus back

Dream Zanarkand doesn't have a physical location as far as I'm concerned. It's a *dream*.

Most likely Jecht modeled his Sin after what he remembered, because it's what he remembered. Making it a replica of a memory, not the thing itself. Because the thing itself doesn't exist in our dementions-- it's out there in the fourth or fifth one I guess

If Dream Zanarkand was inside Sin, the party would've found all of Dream Zanarkand-- the other blitzball teams, the families, the stupid announcer that was going to run away from home before Jecht disappeared.

The reason you have to get inside Sin is because its outer armor is too strong to be defeated from without. That's why all the ordinary tactics of warfare-- chocobo knights, machina, etc appear to just bounce off of it.

the ball of water that sin used to destroy the first zanarkand was just . . . water. . .

What you really should be wondering about is first off: how did jecht become the only one that was picked up by Sin when it made a random trip to dream zanarkand ten years ago? didn't anyone else go with him? (it makes it sound like jecht is the real main character, and this was his destiny: not his story, but just his destiny), then how long was Auron in Dream Zanarkand, and how did he convince tidus and his mom that he was a friend of Jecht's (well, she was in considerable distress, so I'm sure she would've accepted anyone that said that and was friendly enough)

about the songs: Otherworld was played when the first bonds with the Dream Zanarkand began to break, and when the last ones were broken. IE, when Sin showed up. All it was was a reverse foreshadowing about Sin being Jecht, who was a man from an OtherWorld (in the words of Maechan)

I really doubt that if the dream zanarkand was a physical place that the hymn of the fayth would be heard. It was hard enough to hear it just through Sin's armor.

(back to the city inside sin, it could just be an apparatition of pyreflies with tidus' thoughts, or possibly with yevon or jecht's. They do that sort of thing. )

I'm sure if Dream Zanarkand was a physical place Cid would've added a spot to the airship saying 'omgomgomg IT"S ZANARKAND LIKE IT WAS 1000 YEARS AGO! omgomgomg!'

[Lon611]

borisnono, the fayth that are summoning dream zanarkand are NOT inside sin, but are on the wall just before zanarkand on mt. gagazet.

after thinking aobut it, i don't think dream zanarkand is a physical place, or else it wouldn't be DREAM zanarkand, now would it?
i believe its in another dimension or something sci-fi like that, lol. some1 in another thread said things summoned(ie dream zanarkand) HAD to be summoned in spira, but i don't recall nething about taht, so it could be in another dimension or something. plus, yu yevon IS the greatest summoner who ever lived, so i bet he'd figure out a way.

plus, i doubt yu yevon would create a physical dream zanarkand, otherwise it could get destroyed, jst like the first one did

[Wilder]

ok Rubah, I´m gonna try to explain some of the points that you wrote , and try to give my point of view.

- I know that yevon can´t die before sin, I said that you supossed that if sin is dead , yevon is also dead.
- I haven´t play FFX-2 so, if there´s an explanation fot this kid ,Im
lost.
- ok let´s begin wih zanarkand. I didn´t say that Zanarkand have a PSYSICAL location , I know it´s a dream , I know it doesn´t exist anymore. But the dream is being develope inside of sin , Sin is like Yevon sanctuary along his zanarkand.
- I don´t know what you mean with " because it's what he remembered", Ok, If jecht appears in the last battle in a replica of zanarkand there could be 2 options : He is in the "dream zanarkand" , or he is in a replica that he dreamed himself , I mean, what´s the most logical for you ?. For me is more logical to say that Sin is a bridge between spira and zanarkand because there´s only one World , that´s is spira , And sin who is living in spira carries zanarkand inide, or , Sin is an ultra galatic speed light monster that can travel to the fourth or fith dimension.
- the party were not into sin vacation trip , actually, you can see Zanarkand all the way down when Jecht morph into braska aeon, there´s a FMV and all the lights of zanarkand are turned on. If you remember very well, The Faith freeze all the people in zanarkand at the beginning , there was no more active life in zanarkand since the disaster , and it was turned into this world with Jecht in the big plaform that you can see in the first (o-go down) dream scene , in that scene you can see for last time zanarkand, that´s very clear I think.
- You are right, Sin´s armor is very strong, but they were breaking it with that canon Lolll. Actually this is the first thing that you wrote " Yevon did not die when you killed Sin. He can exist without it, which is how he keeps living even though Sin is killed by the final summoning over and over ". That explains to you why they have to get inside, to kill yevon, not because sin armor , they don´t want only to kill Sin actually since they discover all the true about yu yevon.
- Just water ?, you mean that´s is normal in your neighborhood, A giant ball of water spitting balls of fire. I said that it was Jecht with the aeon braska because It would have been so obvious if jecht appears like he is, he would have been recognized, You can´t see what is inside , but there´s something inside. And since Aeon braska is a fire dude the balls of fire that destroy everything make some sense.Hey , look !, Auron says, we called it sin . Obiously isn´t just water.
- Well. how jecht get involved ,that´s not explained in the game , the only thing that is now for sure is that when Jecht was launched to spira ther was no atack to zanarkand !, no balls of water, he just dissapear as the guy in the beginning commentary said. that means that maybe he was trow by mistake ?, Luck ?, destiny ?, whtever, The true is that The only reason why Tidus is launched ouside of spira is because jecht planned it, and if the Dream Zanrkand is inside sin as jecht , that make a good point to reinforce the theory.
- I just relate Otherwold with Jecht, the two times that I heard that song in one was jecht and in the first I think there he is ( Sin being Jecht, who was a man from an OtherWorld ) . And "return to Zanarkand" , You should have been so dristracted when jecht said "I can´t hear the hymn so clear now because I´m becoming Sin while the time goes on"(or something like that), and what about "Zanarkand lives in the song"?.

Ok I repeat, Zanarkand is not a physical place where you can go, Is a dream that is being developed in side of sin, and you discover that only in the last minutes of the game , like a conclusion to the mistery. Thanks a lot for your comments.