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[Dr.M]

alright so, the dead can make it to the DZ but the thought dosent occour to them and same gose for the people of the DZ. their oblivous to it

[Skyblade]

Originally Posted by Dr.M ^

alright so, the dead can make it to the DZ but the thought dosent occour to them and same gose for the people of the DZ. their oblivous to it

That's the way I saw it. Which is part of the reason why, when Jecht left, no one thought of setting out to search for him. No one thought that he might still be out there. He left their world, so he was gone.

As to why Jecht left, I don't think even he was looking for something beyond DZ, but, since we're not told the reasons for his trip, we can't really know for sure.

[BG-57]

Look at it this way: most of the time when you dream you aren't aware that you're dreaming. You simply accept the reality and boundaries of the dream without question.

[Dr.M]

Originally Posted by Skyblade ^

Originally Posted by Dr.M ^

alright so, the dead can make it to the DZ but the thought dosent occour to them and same gose for the people of the DZ. their oblivous to it

That's the way I saw it. Which is part of the reason why, when Jecht left, no one thought of setting out to search for him. No one thought that he might still be out there. He left their world, so he was gone.

As to why Jecht left, I don't think even he was looking for something beyond DZ, but, since we're not told the reasons for his trip, we can't really know for sure.

hmm alright, but i thought he went out on that boat for blitzball training.

Originally Posted by BG-57 ^

Look at it this way: most of the time when you dream you aren't aware that you're dreaming. You simply accept the reality and boundaries of the dream without question.

yeah that makes a lot of scene



so we understand why the people dont venture out past the boarders of the city but we still havent worked out WHERE DZ is... since you know, that is the reason why were talking about this lol.

[BG-57]

Well, DZ is shown in a inset in the world map that Renmiri linked. It's an island, and surrounded by water, and far enough from any major landmass that it's isolated. So it could be in any ocean. I'd guess it's in the far corner of the map, like Round Island in FFVII.

[cally777]

Sorry to drag the discussion back, but I'm not convinced by the explanations for DZ people not leaving.

Originally Posted by Skyblade ^

Originally Posted by jammi567 ^

I've wondered this for a little while, but if the people of DZ have their own will to do what they want (which we can clearly see in the game), then why have they never tried to leave their island?

Why do fish stay in the water? It doesn't occur to them to do otherwise. Even with free will, their island is the border of their world. It never occurs to them to leave, it doesn't occur to them that there is anything beyond there. They have their world, and their thoughts are tied to that world.

Originally Posted by BG-57 ^

Look at it this way: most of the time when you dream you aren't aware that you're dreaming. You simply accept the reality and boundaries of the dream without question.

People are not fish and as for dreams the DZ people believe theirs is real so its no different to real life. Jecht did leave and people did notice (Tidus memories show this), even if they mistakenly thought he died.

I think a nearer comparison than the Matrix is the Truman Show.
For a while you can fool people not to leave the "bubble" they are in, but not for ever, and not for 1000 years.

[Firo Volondé]

Originally Posted by Dr.M ^

the only person that went to the DZ from Spira was auron. and well he's unsent so dose that have anything to do with going back and forth?

That has everything to do with it, Auron implies shortly after revealing to Tidus that he is unsent that it was only because he died that he could travel to DZ, possibly because unsents have immunity to the toxin. Also, citizens of DZ seem to be able to use Sin as a ferry as well. I would say anyone else who tried that stunt would be badly affected by the toxin or killed by Sin's gravity attack.

Originally Posted by cally777 ^

Sorry to drag the discussion back, but I'm not convinced by the explanations for DZ people not leaving.

Originally Posted by Skyblade ^

Originally Posted by jammi567 ^

I've wondered this for a little while, but if the people of DZ have their own will to do what they want (which we can clearly see in the game), then why have they never tried to leave their island?

Why do fish stay in the water? It doesn't occur to them to do otherwise. Even with free will, their island is the border of their world. It never occurs to them to leave, it doesn't occur to them that there is anything beyond there. They have their world, and their thoughts are tied to that world.

Originally Posted by BG-57 ^

Look at it this way: most of the time when you dream you aren't aware that you're dreaming. You simply accept the reality and boundaries of the dream without question.

People are not fish and as for dreams the DZ people believe theirs is real so its no different to real life. Jecht did leave and people did notice (Tidus memories show this), even if they mistakenly thought he died.

I think a nearer comparison than the Matrix is the Truman Show.
For a while you can fool people not to leave the "bubble" they are in, but not for ever, and not for 1000 years.

Yevon could have made the citizens of DZ any way he wanted, since he was their creator. Obviously, if they believed they were in the real Zanarkand, they would leave DZ to search for Bevelle, and be too difficult to control while maintaining Sin. His only goal was to keep DZ alive forever; this would be easiest if the citizens didn't wonder about the outside world.

I think (I haven't seen it in ages) that Truman needed a trigger to consider leaving the bubble. That trigger was a workroader he met never met saying "Goodbye Truman". However, Tidus knows that Auron is not a native of DZ, but since he's content to spend the rest of his life in Zanarkand, the trigger obviously has no effect on people in DZ. If the creators of The Truman Show (the show within the movie, not the movie) had been able to mould Truman the way YY moulds the citizens of DZ, he never would have questioned his universe.

[Juggernaut]

During the single elephant-thing ride. (Eleshoo or something) Wakka says something about a city on the water. It was destroyed, apparently. Could that be what we are talking about?