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Originally Posted by Tavrobel ^
Originally Posted by Jimsour ^
But Sin doesnt exist during the calm?
Yu Yevon can reset things at will.
Hmmm, does that fit in with this?

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Summoning both the city and Sin was a greater strain than Yu Yevon could handle; thus only his instincts to protect his beloved city remained and the spiral of death started.
If Wiki has got it right. I'm not sure about the idea that Yu Yevon wasnt really on his game. But surely both can't be true.

Old 10-31-2007, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cally777 ^
Hmmm, does that fit in with this?
It is an ability that he has, and even if Sin is on cooldown, if someone ever found out about DZ and Yu Yevon knew about it, he could reset the city so that no one knew about the outsider. Most likely, the intruder would be killed.

Puzzle pieces must go together.

Since the city has already been summoned, it takes no further effort to set it back to point A. He is basically running the show, the calls, and taxing for utilities. I see no reason why it would take extra effort to change something that's already running independently of the summoner, just as it takes no extra MP to keep channeling a summon in a FF game. The cost is paid, and you go on your way.
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DZ IS basically just a massive aeon right? I like to think of Zanarkand as FFX's version of Alexander in some ways.

It makes sense it's out at sea, in fact I was thinking about this the other day...

But anyway, Tidus has only assumed that the real Zanarkand is also an island at the beginning of the game, he does quite quickly realize that his Zanarkand was very different to this ones Zanarkand. So by the time he realizes it's not an island, well by then I think he pretty much knows he's a dream so it's not an issue.

Although yeah, I'm surprised nobody discovered it. I'm guessing the fayth concealed it from the world, and Sin is the only one who can enter or something.

EDIT: Heh Spiras shaped kinda like the UK
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Agreed. A huge aeon, being kept by Yu Yevon whose only instinct is to protect it's existence.
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Originally Posted by Tavrobel ^
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Hmmm, does that fit in with this?
It is an ability that he has, and even if Sin is on cooldown, if someone ever found out about DZ and Yu Yevon knew about it, he could reset the city so that no one knew about the outsider. Most likely, the intruder would be killed.
Killed? By whom? The inhabitants of DZ? If our experience of Tidus and Jecht is typical they aren't barbarians and have considerable free will over their own affairs. Otherwise Tidus and his father could never have opposed Yu Yevon, even though they were in a sense his creatures (aeons).

So I think Jim Sour's point still remains that an Al Bhed ship could have located DZ and escaped during a period of Calm when Sin wasn't protecting it. Of course perhaps no one would have believed them...

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Originally Posted by cally777 ^
Killed? By whom? The inhabitants of DZ?
Have you ever met someone who has had his memory erased/no memories? Despite what TV drama suggests, they aren't just confused; they are also highly impressionable. Puzzle pieces. What would you do if your landlord asked for the utilities check, and you had no money? You'd either:

A) pay it

Really, there's no other choice. Payment isn't always money.
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Originally Posted by Tavrobel ^
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Killed? By whom? The inhabitants of DZ?
Have you ever met someone who has had his memory erased/no memories? Despite what TV drama suggests, they aren't just confused; they are also highly impressionable. Puzzle pieces. What would you do if your landlord asked for the utilities check, and you had no money? You'd either:

A) pay it

Really, there's no other choice. Payment isn't always money.
Strangely my landlord is hassling me for more rent. So I kinda know what yr talking about and yet... Why couldn't YY erase Tidus memory when it really counted i.e. when his (YY's) a**e was about to be kicked.

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