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[Ryushikaze]

Originally Posted by Pharoh Amon Khan III ^

:p Unlikely, you say... How so? ROFL....:p

Because the entire point of the book is to answer the questions the game left behind. In such a light, them not having a space that says 'Oh yeah, and one of your party goes crazy and becomes the final boss' when they could spare time to discuss the workings of a GUNBLADE says something.

Concession accepted on all unaddressed points.

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

Originally Posted by Ryushikaze ^

Originally Posted by Pharoh Amon Khan III ^

Unlikely, you say... How so? ROFL....

Because the entire point of the book is to answer the questions the game left behind. In such a light, them not having a space that says 'Oh yeah, and one of your party goes crazy and becomes the final boss' when they could spare time to discuss the workings of a GUNBLADE says something.

Concession accepted on all unaddressed points.

If that's how you see it. But still Rinoa could become Ultimecia. There's nothing in the book thst states against it.

[Ryushikaze]

Yes, and such an absence of evidence tells the rational mind that there is no reason to assign an idea, ESPECIALLY one so outrageous, any validity.

Outrageous claims require extraordinary evidence.
Your claim it outrageous.
Your evidence is subpar. At best.

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

Originally Posted by Ryushikaze ^

Yes, and such an absence of evidence tells the rational mind that there is no reason to assign an idea, ESPECIALLY one so outrageous, any validity.

Outrageous claims require extraordinary evidence.
Your claim it outrageous.
Your evidence is subpar. At best.

How is it outrageous? And please stop yelling.

P.S. Oh, and who are you to judge 'subpar' and what not?

[Ryushikaze]

Originally Posted by Pharoh Amon Khan III ^

How is it outrageous? And please stop yelling. :p

If you don't know how it is outrageous, you haven't been listening. R=U is in flagrant violation of parsimony up and down the field, and your refusal to present anything resembling substantial evidence isn't helping.
And I like emphasizing words by capping them. Big smegging deal.

P.S. Oh, and who are you to judge 'subpar' and what not? :D

I'm a critical thinker with the understandings of the mechanisms of rational , scientific thought. And by the by, that was an attack on the man, not the argument.

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

Yeah, I kinda saw the attack, but did ya see how I dodged it? Man, all those epsiodes of DBZ really paid off, huh?

But serioulsy... Can you describe in greater detail than 'parsimony' that's a very vague term to me.

[Ryushikaze]

Originally Posted by Pharoh Amon Khan III ^

Yeah, I kinda saw the attack, but did ya see how I dodged it? Man, all those epsiodes of DBZ really paid off, huh?

You were the one attacking, 'Vegetto'. Oi.

But serioulsy... Can you describe in greater detail than 'parsimony' that's a very vague term to me.

Yes, since you don't even know what it means, as evidenced in a previous thread.
The logical principle of parsimony says that when two or more possible explanations exist for a given explanation, the one which requires more unsupported terms, or assumptions, should be disfavored over the one with fewer additional terms.
Guess how many unsupported terms R=U has compared to (to treat the negative case as a claim, even though there's no reason to) Rinoa is mortal and leads a relatively normal life?
There's 'the succession was of the past (even though the party went forward in time)', 'Ulti can still possess Rinoa (despite having wasted all her chances to do so)', 'Rinoa lives to a time where everyone else is dead (despite not being immortal)', 'Sorceress power retards aging (based on ages you've never confirmed)', Squall's visions in the end of time compression have special meaning, and these particular visions have a lot more meaning than anything else', and probably a few others that I can't recall right at the moment.

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

[quote=Ryushikaze;1875488]

Originally Posted by Pharoh Amon Khan III ^

Yeah, I kinda saw the attack, but did ya see how I dodged it? Man, all those epsiodes of DBZ really paid off, huh?

You were the one attacking, 'Vegetto'. Oi.

How did I attack? And it's Vegita-Sama, dozo arigato.

But serioulsy... Can you describe in greater detail than 'parsimony' that's a very vague term to me.

Yes, since you don't even know what it means, as evidenced in a previous thread.The logical principle of parsimony says that when two or more possible explanations exist for a given explanation, the one which requires more unsupported terms, or assumptions, should be disfavored over the one with fewer additional terms.

Oh so now you're gonna insult my intelligence... (tsk, tsk, tsk) this conversation is over. But before that here is this, ensummo... I purposely brought this to this point... Right now, your assuming and proclaiming evidence that there IS a successor to Rinoa just as you proclaim that R-U theorists pull outlandish things that don't exist. Do you see now why I say it's not a certaintity but a possibility. But somehow that bothers people, I don't know why. Clearly at the end there isn't a successor, and therefore it is open to fantasy, speculation, and perspective as ALL Final Fantasies have ended. The 2nd Generation are all just "Eye-Candy Hoars" that just play to the next FMV and don't want anyhthing to ruin that. The "Happy Ending" has some unanswered questions.

Guess how many unsupported terms R=U has compared to (to treat the negative case as a claim, even though there's no reason to) Rinoa is mortal and leads a relatively normal life? (Final Fantasy VII or VI ring a bell?)
There's 'the succession was of the past (even though the party went forward in time)'

They were witnessing the 'past' being compressed the the present/future of Ultimecia and all the Sorceresses before Adel's time being brought along with time being compressed to one point: Ultimecia's time. Ultimecia was drawing the Succession to her present (the past succession) the Fated Children hitched a ride on that. The Fated Children went forward in time killing the Succession of Witches from the Past that Ultimecia was trying to get to and succeeded thanks to Rinoa and Ellone. She didn't need Ellone or Rinoa for any possible successors of Rinoa... That's right, I said p-o-s-s-i-b-l-e successors. But seeing as there were none in sight or mentioned... It's (ctrl+C) p-o-s-s-i-b-l-e, that there are no successors to Sorceress Rinoa. Fate is a double-edged sword... You never know exactly how it's gonna cut... And, why can't there be a negative case? FFVII didn't turn out as happy go lucky as people wanted it to be... LOL

'Ulti can still possess Rinoa (despite having wasted all her chances to do so)', '

Okay, clearly you don't understand what I'm saying, but I hope you do understand, that Ultimecia did that when she was desperately trying to avoid fate, when it was just a breath away... That's the series of unfortunate/fortunate events you're talking about. Who's to say that she didn't do it any other time before then? From your perspective, she may do it again right after the "Happy Ending" IF she isn't Rinoa.
Time-travel is funny that way. If you don't understand, don't get into it with me. I'd rather speak with someone I respect more on the subject, like Sir Bahamut. In the end, Ultimecia still exists in the future and take possession of Rinoa (unless she is Rinoa) anytime she chooses. If you don't see how this works, clearly your are clinging desperately to the "Happy Ending" and/or have no understanding of the consequences/conveniances of time travel.

Rinoa lives to a time where everyone else is dead (despite not being immortal)',

And YOU can determine who lives or dies in the path of time. I mean, you know this? You know this for sure, right? Just like everyone esle who saw the ending of FFVII for sure? Before Advent Children and Dirge of Cerebus? Huh? Bur-Shee-Sum-Mo! This is an opinionated statement. There's no absolute of how far in the fjuture they travelled. So let me sound like you and other others that have an official aire about themselves: That's invalid.

Why couldn't she have survived when others have died? Was there a war? Plague? Car accident? Did history repeat itself again in a strange twist of unfortunate events? I guess we'll never know...

I never said that the Sorceress power retards aging, just that it retards one 'looking', (e.g. cosmetically) like they've aged. Again, clearly you do not understand me or choose not to. There's no telling what happens during that time and people can still live several generations. Who's to say that Rinoa, a Sorceress of The Great Hyne, will not live that long? There's a woman here in my city that is still alive since 1933. Oh and don't bother with well she would be an 'invalid'. Right, this from characters that can take getting mauled by a tiger, sip some gatorade and say "ow"? I'm sure they have some modern medicine. Even still, even though I don't believe that Ultimecia used Odine's 'as yet designed or built JME, Ultimecia has access to whatever she needs technologically aside from the Sorceress Power.

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Sorceress power retards aging (based on ages you've never confirmed)',

And might I add 'ages' that no one has confirmed, but only ASSUMED. And as I explained earlier, I never said it retarded aging, but kept her looking young. Do you see how we're all on the level of perspective now?

Squall's visions in the end of time compression have special meaning, and these particular visions have a lot more meaning than anything else', and probably a few others that I can't recall right at the moment.

For the Love of the Widow, you are a piece of work, aren't ya? Isn't that 'parsimonious'? I mean, you totally ignored my statement that you and Sir Bahamut have different VIEWS on what was happening. Was it a hallucination or Time Compression decompressing? Now whose posting a postulate? ROFLMAO!!!! So tell me the facts and evidence of the 'special meaning'? And when you do... are you speaking from evidence or perspective?

Personally, I prefer the TC observation of it, but the exploding helmut does suggest it may have been a hallucination... I'm open either way it goes...

And so... I'm done with you Yua-Sakei... whatever.... No ever gets my name right and I don't mind... It's Pharoh Amon Khan III, but they go with PAK simply because it's too long and they don't bother, too lazy, or can't spell it right... I don't know, I don't care. So... G'night Tork Smacky.

ONE MOooooRe thing... Why couldn't Rinoa be Ultimecia? As far as we all know for certain, Rinoa is the Final Sorceress, and there is no evidence of a Successor. Enjoy your Happy Ending, for time... it will not wait... Fate... it escapes you... Reflect on your feelings, your emotions... and toss 'em out the window cuz the Bantha Poo-Joo is gonna hit the aft-accellorator. Ah, sue me, I'm listening to SW:EP1 SDTK.


And one more thing: Ryushikaze, Yo-ka-sama-ree.