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[Sir Bahamut]

What proof do I need? Well, you could start by proving this:

She's the Final Sorceress.

Entirely unfounded. The Ultimania states a sorceress MUST give up her powers before dying, and since Rinoa has a regular lifespan, there MUST necessarily be a successor eventually. You have yet to demonstrate how there could NOT be a successor. You have also yet to give any good arguments as to why the sorceresses we fight in TC are not in the in the era between Rinoa and Ultimecia.

Ultimecia Reign is technically within their lifetime, there is no evidence of a Successor to Rinoa.

No, Ultimecia's reign is NOT within their lifetime. You have completely ignored Lagunas statement that "Ultimecia lives far in the future, where none of us can technically exist". That, the "many generations" and the several sorceresses we fight on the way to Ultimecia all demonstrate that Ultimecia clearly lives outside their lifetime.

You may as well try to convience me the validity that there is without a doubt a successor.

1. Laguna states explicitly that Ultimecia lives in a future where none of the party can technically exist, hence it's outside their lifetime.
2. If it's outside their lifetime, Rinoa must necessarily die of old age before Ultimecia's era.
3. As a sorceress, she MUST give up her powers before dying.
4. Hence, there must be a successor.

Simple.

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

Laguna states explicitly that Ultimecia lives in a future where none of the party can technically exist, hence it's outside their lifetime.

And this is Laguna... The man is a complete idiot. He makes George Bush at the very least look like a Sixth Grade Validictorian.

As for the time... Remember when we were talking about 'Dominos'? I already explained that. Why else would she need Ellone?

[Sir Bahamut]

Rinoa does not have an abnormally long lifespan due to being a sorceress, and there's hardly any reason to think she'll somehow grow to be 150 years old and still look as fit as Ultimecia.

And using timetravel to justify her becoming Ultimecia is ludicrous. Not only is it completely unfounded, but there's absolutely nothing indicating Rinoa is capable of it to begin with.

[jammi567]

Can you please each of you sum up your points, so i know what you're saying, as it takes a while to read many of your posts.

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

Originally Posted by Sir Bahamut ^

Rinoa does not have an abnormally long lifespan due to being a sorceress, and there's hardly any reason to think she'll somehow grow to be 150 years old and still look as fit as Ultimecia.

And using timetravel to justify her becoming Ultimecia is ludicrous. Not only is it completely unfounded, but there's absolutely nothing indicating Rinoa is capable of it to begin with.

I didn't use time travel as why Rinoa is Ultimecia... I explained the dominos earlier to explain TC and the Succession of Witches... Ugh! Y'know what... I'm gonna have to write another looooong explaination on this again... Oy! Comin' soon...

[Sir Bahamut]

Oh, sorry, getting things mixed up here it seems. But yes, you'll have to come with a good explanation, I think.

[gamewizzard16]

Originally Posted by Pharoh Amon Khan III ^

Originally Posted by Sir Bahamut ^

Rinoa does not have an abnormally long lifespan due to being a sorceress, and there's hardly any reason to think she'll somehow grow to be 150 years old and still look as fit as Ultimecia.

And using timetravel to justify her becoming Ultimecia is ludicrous. Not only is it completely unfounded, but there's absolutely nothing indicating Rinoa is capable of it to begin with.

I didn't use time travel as why Rinoa is Ultimecia... I explained the dominos earlier to explain TC and the Succession of Witches... Ugh! Y'know what... I'm gonna have to write another looooong explaination on this again... Oy! Comin' soon...

But rinoa will livelonger than her life span until she passes on her powers to someone or thing ...

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

Originally Posted by Sir Bahamut ^

Oh, sorry, getting things mixed up here it seems. But yes, you'll have to come with a good explanation, I think.

LOL... Y'know... I think we're both getting a little lost... I'm taking a break for minute... LOL