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[boys from the dwarf]

yes!!!! finally some good hard proof that ultimecia isnt rinoa. (there was never much proof anyway for ultimecia and rinoa.)R=U is a theory not explained in the game at all but what we are saying in this thread has proof from the game to back it up so R=U is completely false.

[Sir Bahamut]

Finally? This proof has been around for some months now, but anyway. All credit goes to SquallOfSeeD for ordering the FF8 Ultimania, and to DarkAngel for translating it.

Oh, and if that proof isn't enough to demonstrate the holes and flaws of the theory(it should be more than enough really, though), read through the Ultimecia section in the "Time/Ultimecia Plot FAQ" found in the following link:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/game/197343.html

[muzzer]

Originally Posted by Shiny_Griever

Well I think there is a thread about how Rinoa and Ultimecia are the same person, but that's just a theory. The game never comes out and says that. I think Ultimecia is Rinoa in the future so that's how she got the Griever (from Squall). The time compression is the gang going into the future to save Rinoa from becoming the evil sorceress, Ultimecia. They succeed because Squall becomes her knight.

its sort of been confirmed though, ill try and find the article(but it all fits though personally i think rinoa and ulty are one and the same)

[MJN SEIFER]

That's probably flase. I realise the R = U and S = G Theorys are pretty popular but they are false. (IMHV)

Ultimecia returns to Gaia threw Time Movement, as she has done many times but in different forums. Her most recent decent was destroying the world over 10000 years ago. The attemt failed.

[Shiny]

Originally Posted by muzzer

its sort of been confirmed though, ill try and find the article(but it all fits though personally i think rinoa and ulty are one and the same) :choc: :moomba:

Yeah, it's never said officially in the game so that's why I'm not really sure about it. But it would be cooler if Rinoa was Ultimecia in the future.
Masamune: Both are theories. No need to get upset over something petty. Also both have information to back it. But because alot of things seemed vague that's why some people believe the R=U theory. It doesn't really matter either way.

[Sir Bahamut]

Man, I know I sound pushy and stupid here, but there isn't anything vague about the official Squaresoft document telling us it is not possible for Rinoa to be Ultimecia. The arguments used to support R=U are vague, true, but that's just because they're not good arguments. Seriously, just read the FAQ I mentioned earlier.

However, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to get around the fact that for Rinoa to be Ultimecia, Rinoa had to have been able to outlive a normal human being, which Squaresoft disproves.

If Ultimecia lives too far into the future for Rinoa to naturally become Ultimecia, then Rinoa is not Ultimecia, QED. End of discussion.

[Shiny]

Originally Posted by Sir Bahamut

Man, I know I sound pushy and stupid here, but there isn't anything vague about the official Squaresoft document telling us it is not possible for Rinoa to be Ultimecia. The arguments used to support R=U are vague, true, but that's just because they're not good arguments. Seriously, just read the FAQ I mentioned earlier.

However, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to get around the fact that for Rinoa to be Ultimecia, Rinoa had to have been able to outlive a normal human being, which Squaresoft disproves.

If Ultimecia lives too far into the future for Rinoa to naturally become Ultimecia, then Rinoa is not Ultimecia, QED. End of discussion.

Thus, why I obviously don't own a copy of the official squaresoft document. But I do own a copy of FF8. And in the game FF8 it's vague.

[Sir Bahamut]

I'm missing the point. Are you saying that the game should be treated seperately from what outside information Square gives us?