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#49  Apparently you're one of the few people (left) who fail to realize how stupid it is to come in and criticize FFVIII in a forum full of FFVIII fans. You don't like FFVIII. Fine. THEN STAY OUT OF THE FRELLING FORUM, DUMB@$$!!! Just saying that the plot is "abysmal" is pointless. You give absolutely no evidence to support your claims, you just try to pass yourself off as superior because you can recognize the poor plot. You know, when 50,000 people disagree with you, the chances are that you are the one who is incorrect, not them. And since you apparently cannot support your claim, and are simply making obnoxious remarks to be inflammatory, I suggest you shut up and let us comment on how much we love the game, and why, in peace. |
06-11-2005, 12:12 AM
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| Banned  | With all my being I love thee, that which is called FF8, a name emblematic of pristine allurement. How erring it is that you have to endure such prodigious prejudice. Though the stalwartness you exhibit in the face of the naysayer is remarkable. What faults have you, truly? A convoluted plot, they say? Why, I say let us examine the tale of thy elder kinsman, that which bears the name FF7. For I would, be it not for the taboo surrounding such a proposal! And why is that so? Why has circumstance allowed such proceedings? Why instead is judgment of FF8, divine FF8, not forbidden? What governs the actions of Fate, she who displays not kindness, but cruelty? What are the motives surrounding her actions? What of the assertion of the lifelessness of the primary figure? Are not he who is named after yet another of Mother Nature’s phenomenons equally as quiescent? Are they not rivals in their lack of profundity? I dare say so! How is this overlooked? Questions I seek, yet answers I fear I may never uncover. I’m left only to ponder. And finally, why not delve into the matter of the evildoer? What is it about a prolonged, lanky knife that solidifies its wielder as unequivocal in the realm of intrigue? Or perhaps it correlates more to the silvery mane one would sooner surmise to chance upon atop the crown of a filly? But then again, Ultimecia was pretty lame. Azar is free to say whatever he wants about the game. Just because it may be of your opinion (and mine, I might add) that the game was good, that doesn't mean that his opinion isn't just as valid in spite of being in opposition to the majority view displayed in this thread. I'd like to think that he'd be able to freely share it without enduring any sort of abuse. I'd also have to say that if only those who liked FF8 posted inside said forum, it'd be a mighty boring place, just as life would be uneventful if everyone agreed on everything. No one is correct or incorrect. Whether or not the plot is "abysmal" is a subjective judgement, and as what you describe as claims are in reality his opinion, he doesn't have to justify it with support, though he's free to do so. Whether or not he posted just to start an argument is immaterial (though if that was truely his intention, it was a dismal effort though it evidently doesn't take more than that) . His post could have easily been overlooked. I'd say you are out of line for your comments. Last edited by Sepho; 06-11-2005 at 09:52 AM. |
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06-11-2005, 09:38 AM
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 | Hehehehe... GO SKY! Although I don't agree with some parts of it, you did stand up for what you believe, which is a good sign of...something or other... But people do have their own opinions, so he isn't wrong, he is just different. Or, as Squall says: Does anyone know what part that is from? You see, by using a quote, I have backed up what Sepho has said, and also I have shown just one quality of the many in FFVIII...it shows the realism of the characters. Every person has their own attitudes, values and beliefs. So, by adding morals to their characters, they have created realism in them, making it all the better game! I love the game, but would love it even more if my 4th disk worked....  |
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06-12-2005, 08:48 AM
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| Senior Site Staff Cid's Knight  | Well, I didn't really want to get into this, as it's not going to change anyone's opinions on the game. I wanted to state the fact I thought the game was pretty bad, and that the story was the worst I'd seen in a Final Fantasy game. Now, I haven't played the first few, and considering the lack of depth in general of NES games, you could probably say that VIII had a "better" story than, say, the original Final Fantasy. But while games such as Final Fantasy V had fairly simple plots, lacking the character development, detailed story, and general sophistication of later RPGs, they at least had a solid (though sometimes silly) and often charming story, characters with personality, and a quest that, while not being especially original, was at least entertaining. But I digress. That's not really the point. The point is, I thought Final Fantasy VIII had a horrible plot. This is for several reasons. The first of which is the orphanage scene. Nearly every main character in the game suddenly realizes that he or she is from the same orphanage as his/her friends! What a remarkable coincidence. "Well, it's okay, right? I mean, Square put the GFs in there, and they cause memory loss, so it's all good." Bull  . It's as if the guys at Square got halfway through the game and then suddenly realized that the characters really didn't have anything to do with one another. "How can we fix this? They have no real bond! Oh, I know--how about we make them all come from the same orphanage, but their memory was erased, so they don't realize it until later! That's so awesome!" Don't bash me saying "OMG IT DIDNT HAPEN TAHT WAY SQUARE NEW WHAT TEHY WUR DOING" because I'm just saying it felt completely forced and was totally stupid. This was the point of the game at which I started hating FFVIII. Before that, I'd been playing it for hours, and not really liking it, but tolerating it. Still, it had so many other problems.Squall, in my opinion, was a bad lead character. He was way too angsty for me and his little depressed thoughts were annoying and didn't really build his character at all. To me, he always came across as fairly flat and devoid of a well-built personality. In that sense, he's rather like Cloud. I'm not going to say FFVIII is the only one with problems--VII had loads of them, and the rest have something wrong with them in at least one way or another--but VIII's affected the game the most. VII stayed enjoyable, intriguing, and engaging throughout, even if the story wasn't the best. Cloud was extremely devoid of personality, at least for a time, but that didn't affect the overall quality of the game as much as it could have. Squall's romance with Rinoa felt very forced and just didn't seem to work at all. Again, though, I digress. We come across other characters, and they're all nearly as bad as the last. Seifer? Give me a break. Apparently a lot of people love Seifer, but I saw him as a really pathetic fill-in for a genuine villian. Ultimecia is even worse. Sure, you can rattle off all the horrible things she's doing, how she's controlling this and sucking life from that, but it all comes down to what's in the game. She simply doesn't have that presence in the game that makes for a good villian. VIII totally blew it in the villain department. Any game that's charging you with saving the world should give you a good reason, and not just hint at it. People hate on Sephiroth all the time--I often wonder if this has sort of become an "anti-mainstream" thing, and you're not a hardcore Final Fantasy player if you don't hate on Sephiroth. Well, at least Sephiroth was well explained, interesting, and had a hell of a commanding presence. That's more than you can say for in FFVIII. Oh, and we have Selphie, too. I didn't think it was possible to create such an annoying character in a video game. She certainly has a personality--problem is, it's really damn annoying. Irvine was okay, but he wasn't really developed to any extent. I actually didn't hate Rinoa as much as many people did, but I was probably overlooking her bitchy, dumping-people-for-Squall side in a desperate attempt to find a character with some personality to actually like. I did find that in Zell. He was, I felt, the one good character in the game. Yes, he was simple, but he was funny and a stand-up guy, with a genuine personality to boot. Too bad he didn't get more screen time. Oh, and the battle system? I really didn't like it. This is probably partially my fault, but I did actually attempt to do random battles in the game, thus increasing my level just enough to make the late bosses exceedingly difficult. And god, were those summons looooong. I didn't like the idea of drawing magic at all, and I didn't like junctioning my magic to characters, but it wasn't the worst system out there. I'd still prefer the old-school equipment-based systems like VI and IX, though--especially IX's. I loved learning abilities from equipment, even if you had to keep the stuff on a little longer than you would have otherwise. Hell, I didn't even like the overall feel of FFVIII. It was as if it was trying to fit in present-day technology and future technology. You could drive CARS. What the smurf. And the Gunblade? Oh, come on, that has to be one of the stupidest ideas for a weapon. Square needs to pick one time-frame and stick with it for an entire game. If the main character carries a sword, don't make it futuristic! Make it a true fantasy title, with swords and sorcery and whatnot. If you want guns, fine, but make it at least set at the present-day technological level or beyond. The flashback thing with Laguna and co. was all right, but it still felt forced and just didn't seem to work. I guess I just feel as though many people who love Final Fantasy VIII overlook its rather strong and glaring flaws. Long before I played the game, two of my friends told me again and again how it was bad. I thought this was general opinion, but I decided that maybe they were wrong. I played it myself, and came out of it hating it way more than they did. I found so many flaws and things I didn't like, I was sure that nearly everyone hated the game--I sure thought they should, anyway--but, imagine my surprise when I came onto this forum and found that there are more people who are absolutely be head-over-heels in love with this game than there are people who dislike it. I guess it bothered me, and maybe I have a chip on my shoulder as a result. Ah, yes, the obligatory "I hate you because you hate my favorite game, die die die" post. Well, as Sepho said, wouldn't the forum--and this thread--be totally boring and meaningless if it was just about VIII kicking ass and why? Sounds like crap to me. If that's the way you want it, though, you could try to petition the staff to make this a "We love FFVIII club" instead of an all-encompassing FFVIII forum. So, now I've backed up my obnoxious remarks with what I'd consider a pretty good bit of reasoning. I'd expect most of you to dismiss it, since you, of course, love the game, but maybe I've at least fleshed-out a bit of the reasoning behind my opinion that FFVIII is a really bad game. There were probably even more things about it I didn't like, but I've tried to supress most of the memories I have from playing it, and it was a good year ago. And I'm sure far more than 50,000 people disagree with me, but, then, George Bush won the election, and I certainly think every single person who voted for him was dead wrong--and that's in the millions. So, I will not shut up and sit by, as I'd like to express my opinions as much as the next guy and not get flamed for them. But, to be honest, it doesn't really bother me. We're still arguing over a video game, (and a stupid one :P) so I don't honestly care who hates me for dissing it. Instead, though, come up with reasons why FFVIII is really GOOD, instead of calling me a dumbass. I'd also like to thank Sepho for standing up for me, despite the fact we have different opinions on the matter. As Voltaire once said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." It's ironic, though, that this is such a long explanation, no one's likely to actually read it.  |
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06-12-2005, 07:27 PM
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