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[TheAbominatrix]

Oh she's dead alright. But I dont remember it saying just when exactly she died. Julia may have gotten sick somewhere down the line and passed on because of it.

[Big D]

Julia died in a car accident when Rinoa was about five years old.
It's in the Tutorial somewhere...

[Celes]

You have a lot of good information, D. I agree Rinoa and Squall are definetly NOT siblings. I think Laguna and Julia definetly were attracted to each other, but it wasn't meant to be, they each found someone else. I think Laguna and Raine fell in love all on their own. Laguna loved Raine, and acted as a father to Ellone. Then Laguna married Raine, and had Squall with her. Laguna seems like such a cool guy until he totally abandons his own son! I don't understand why he just left Squall and Ellone like that. I don't understand why they made his character like that, it just doesn't seem to fit. You would think that after losing Raine, Laguna would want to be even closer with his son and stepdaughter.

[Besimudo]

mmmm... This is about squalls dad so...

Celes Laguna demonstrated the will to see his little elleone, but fate played the cards against him so many times. It seems that every time that Laguna managed to track down elle, he was marginally late. By the time Squall meets Laguna many years have past and we see a bit of a mixed reaction. Elle is happy to see Laguna, while Squall can only see the man as the father he never had. Squall and Laguna do not connect on the personal level, but in nature they connect absolutely. The Mooba blood scene, the shumis, ragnarok, the sorceress wars and the repeated love.. i.e. Squall and Rinoa complete the chain of Laguna and Julia.. demonstrate the cyclical nature of events.

Although pheonix somehow manages to maintain that these events are all due to a poorly written plot, one can see that these works would have been impossible on a conscious level. The relationship between Tidus and Jecht was overt, forced and obvious...FF8 capture the fallen son theme perfectly, and in an ironical twist it is the son who unwittingly rejects his father not by ignoring him, but by forsaking him on account of his personality. Laguna represents the traits that Squall despises and if Squall has a conscious knowledge of who his father actually is (it is debatable) Squall chooses on his own instincts, not to embrace Laguna.

One could say that this is a condition of teenage attitude (rejecting ones parents....yes that fits nicely) OR one could say that it is an extension of the Platonic forms... The more equal things become the less equal they actually are, and it seems that Laguna and Squall are very equal in many ways, yet they seem so very distant.


By the way.... Have you ever wondered why its Rinoa Heartly and not Caraway? Perhaps Julia used her sir name on the birth certificate for Rinoa...since she did not know Lagunas sir name.

At least in ff8 we can debate mad things like this, all I see in the other FF forums is descriptions and argument.
(except for cases like Sephiroth the king could beat shinobi in an arm-wrestle)

[Rand Al'Tor]

Celes Laguna demonstrated the will to see his little elleone, but fate played the cards against him so many times. It seems that every time that Laguna managed to track down elle, he was marginally late. By the time Squall meets Laguna many years have past and we see a bit of a mixed reaction. Elle is happy to see Laguna, while Squall can only see the man as the father he never had. Squall and Laguna do not connect on the personal level, but in nature they connect absolutely. The Mooba blood scene, the shumis, ragnarok, the sorceress wars and the repeated love.. i.e. Squall and Rinoa complete the chain of Laguna and Julia.. demonstrate the cyclical nature of events.

You could say there's a tendency in FFVIII for things to repeat themselves, yes.

Although pheonix somehow manages to maintain that these events are all due to a poorly written plot, one can see that these works would have been impossible on a conscious level. The relationship between Tidus and Jecht was overt, forced and obvious...

Gah... must we compare this with other FF's again?

FF8 capture the fallen son theme perfectly, and in an ironical twist it is the son who unwittingly rejects his father not by ignoring him, but by forsaking him on account of his personality. Laguna represents the traits that Squall despises and if Squall has a conscious knowledge of who his father actually is (it is debatable) Squall chooses on his own instincts, not to embrace Laguna.

Mind you that I would CERTAINLY understand Squall if he would reject Laguna as his father consciously. As I said, both Squall and Laguna hurt others and themselves. Laguna by bonding to easy with others (forgetting his old bonds) while Squall hardly makes any bonds with others at all, holding on to being a SeeD.

One could say that this is a condition of teenage attitude (rejecting ones parents....yes that fits nicely) OR one could say that it is an extension of the Platonic forms... The more equal things become the less equal they actually are, and it seems that Laguna and Squall are very equal in many ways, yet they seem so very distant.

I really doubt the makers of FF have let themselves be inspired by Plato. Genesis, yes. After all, with names as Garden, Eden, and such, it's clear they're going for a theme. but Plato... nah...

By the way.... Have you ever wondered why its Rinoa Heartly and not Caraway? Perhaps Julia used her sir name on the birth certificate for Rinoa...since she did not know Lagunas sir name.

I would say Rinoa calls herself like that because of a bad relation with her father. And I think it's been shown that Laguna cannot be Rinoa's father.

[quote] In a way though, you could say that Rinoa acts a lot like Laguna, while Squall seems to be much more akin to Caraway then Laguna. Oidipous and Elektra anyone? (no, no, not saying the makers read Sophokles or something, just a general thing that often seems to come back in lots of cultures. And Squall should fall for someone like RAINE for a proper Oidipous thingie. And I'm rambling and putting way too much stuff between parentheses)

At least in ff8 we can debate mad things like this, all I see in the other FF forums is descriptions and argument.
(except for cases like Sephiroth the king could beat shinobi in an arm-wrestle)

*burns a few candles in front of the altar of the God of Not Getting Into FFVII VS FFVIII debates*

I'm agnostic, but.... just for this case I'll make an exception.

[PhoenixAsh]

Besimudo, yes it shows cyclical natures. But it wasn't like they did it cleverly. They just stopped the flow of the regular plot, and jumped into making you play through the same thing with Laguna.
Laguna being Squall's father was ruined by the Ragnorok bits, and didn't add to the story much at all (excluding cyclic themes).

I don't know how lazy you are with other forums, but there are plenty of theories and debates for VII, probably more than VIII.

[Besimudo]

I would just like to clarify with raven, that the sorceress is the descendent of the great Hyne (god).. So the sorcs do have a mythical origin.. as I pointed out..but no you doubted me...and i guess you shouldn’t have....

I commend Al on classical spellings... I hope also that you accept Kronos over Cronos !

As for phoenix.. the sepi / jenova theme was what I would call mediocre, It lacked the interest of the other FF title. (throws a few more unsubstantiated claims in), then reminds besimudo that FF7 has some good forum debate.

[PhoenixAsh]

As for phoenix.. the sepi / jenova theme was what I would call mediocre, It lacked the interest of the other FF title. (throws a few more unsubstantiated claims in), then reminds besimudo that FF7 has some good forum debate

I wanted to understand this, really I did.