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[leader of mortals]

Originally Posted by SeeDRankLou ^

You don't even need the Ultimania guide to prove that Rinoa is not Ultimecia.

Ok, if it were true, Rinoa likely wouldn't know if she was Ultimecia, but Ultimecia would definately know she is Rinoa. Ultimecia tries to kill Rinoa at the end of disc 1. If Ultimecia is Rinoa, killing herself in the past would negate her existence in the future and her whole plan for time compression and consuming all of the pieces of the Great Hyne would be shot. If Ultimecia were Rinoa, she wouldn't try to kill herself. End of story.

I swear, you are my hero for disproving this. I am going to quote this every single time I see a new R=U thread come up.

[Bolivar]

Nah, this is true sh*t, a friend of my cousin told me about it...

[Jessweeee♪]

Originally Posted by LanceOfTime ^

theres too much proof....especially the freakin ending cutscene....and ummm....yeah just...just lettin ya all know....thats a fact

You aren't trolling us, are you D:

[Skyblade]

Unfortunately, the "she wouldn't kill herself" thing has been presented before, and is generally discounted by an "Ultimecia would do anything 'cause she's completely nuts". Logic doesn't usually come into these threads, which is why I simply directed him to the "read before posting" thread.

Aerith's Knight: I'm a "he".

[Avarice-ness]

There's something about evidence you need to know.

If the counter-evidence over-weighs the evidence by a million then the evidence really doesn't matter.

Unfortunately, the "she wouldn't kill herself" thing has been presented before, and is generally discounted by an "Ultimecia would do anything 'cause she's completely nuts". Logic doesn't usually come into these threads, which is why I simply directed him to the "read before posting" thread.

Aerith's Knight: I'm a "he".

I say, if Ultimecia was sane enough to feel a threat to her own existance then she's sane enough to know not to kill herself.

It's not like with Sephiroth, X-Death, Zeromus or Kefka where they all want to destroy the world knowing they're going with it. Granted it could be argued that Sephiroth and Kefka were under the delusions that even if the planets were destroyed they would live because they acheived god status by the point of the planets destruction (Personally, I think they'd destroy the world wether or not they gained immortal power because they -are- insane), but either way, Ultimecia wanted to compress time, not blow up the world and destroy her own existance. Her whole deal is to stop her own death via SeeD, not to do world takeover.

Her goals were for self-preservation not worldly destruction. (And yeah, you can get the whole "OMG TIME COMPRESSION WOULD DESTROY THE WORLD IN TIME" but I'm talking about the kind of world destruction where she -PURPOSELY- makes it so the ENTIRE planet CEASES to exist without taking TIME or her life into consideration.)

[Ouch!]

Originally Posted by SeeDRankLou ^

You don't even need the Ultimania guide to prove that Rinoa is not Ultimecia.

Ok, if it were true, Rinoa likely wouldn't know if she was Ultimecia, but Ultimecia would definately know she is Rinoa. Ultimecia tries to kill Rinoa at the end of disc 1. If Ultimecia is Rinoa, killing herself in the past would negate her existence in the future and her whole plan for time compression and consuming all of the pieces of the Great Hyne would be shot. If Ultimecia were Rinoa, she wouldn't try to kill herself. End of story.

I imagine that the compression of past, present, and future would screw around with causality so much that negating one's own existence in such a manner would not be possible and thus not a concern.

[Big D]

Originally Posted by Ouch! ^

Originally Posted by SeeDRankLou ^

You don't even need the Ultimania guide to prove that Rinoa is not Ultimecia.

Ok, if it were true, Rinoa likely wouldn't know if she was Ultimecia, but Ultimecia would definately know she is Rinoa. Ultimecia tries to kill Rinoa at the end of disc 1. If Ultimecia is Rinoa, killing herself in the past would negate her existence in the future and her whole plan for time compression and consuming all of the pieces of the Great Hyne would be shot. If Ultimecia were Rinoa, she wouldn't try to kill herself. End of story.

I imagine that the compression of past, present, and future would screw around with causality so much that negating one's own existence in such a manner would not be possible and thus not a concern.

Yeah, we don't actually know for sure how temporal mechanics work in FFVIII's world - just as we don't know how they work in our world. It's entirely possible that Ultimecia's free to change the past as much as she likes, without risking her own existence.

[Sir Bahamut]

Like Skyblade pointed out, Ultimecia's attempts to kill herself and Squall etc. are usually explained away by assuming that Ultimecia, despite being Rinoa, was so far removed from Rinoa mentally that they had essentially different identities and Ultimecia would have no recollection of her past. Of course this makes one wonder why bother with the theory to begin with, but there you are.

The most damning evidence against the theory is the complete lack of good evidence in favour it, both in the game and in the Ultimania.