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[champagne supernova]

I really think that people over-rate the orphanage scene. It was a bit of a weak moment, but most stories have these moments. VII had one of the biggest plot holes in history. I'm referring to the story-time scene at Kalm, where Cloud fills in the whole Nibelheim story. Why does Tifa not step in at that point and say, "Hey Cloud, this story is wonderful, but you see, I was there, and I don't actually remember seeing you." Try explain that away.

& I think that some of the characters said some awkward things, but it wasn't like they were stepping out of character. Rinoa is someone who you could imagine saying MEANIE. Selphie is someone who would fall down. Irvine is a bit of a wuss. Squall is HUGELY troubled. And Zell is one of those people that everyone knew in school, the guy who tried too hard to fit in. He is almost as awkward as Ricky Gervais in The Office.

Anyway, dumbest moment in VIII is this: 'Back in the day, south of here, there used to be a small but beautiful village surrounded by deep forests. Everyone lived a happy life there.'
& when you get there, there's nothing there! Kind of like XII's story.

EDIT: I think Ultimecia & time compression aren't that dumb. Ultimecia & Squall are very different, both fearing that they will lose everything they care for. But Squall was able to overcome his problems and Ultimecia wasn't.

I do agree that Ultimecia should have been brought into the game earlier, and used more effectively though.

[Big D]

And the mome rath champagne supernova outgrabe

VII had one of the biggest plot holes in history. I'm referring to the story-time scene at Kalm, where Cloud fills in the whole Nibelheim story. Why does Tifa not step in at that point and say, "Hey Cloud, this story is wonderful, but you see, I was there, and I don't actually remember seeing you." Try explain that away.

That's easily explained away - in fact, it's specifically addressed in the game. Tifa knew something seriously odd was happening to Cloud; ever since she found him semi-conscious in the train graveyard, she wanted to look after him and figure out what was going on. He talked weird, acted weird, and had inexplicable gaps in his memory, and inexplicable memories he shouldn't have. She didn't confront his fabricated memories because she was afraid of what would happen to him. Talking to her at various points - Kalm, Junon - shows that she's got real concerns about what he's been saying, but she tries to avoid the subject. So basically, her silence was due to her not wanting to shatter Cloud's illusions. And since only her and Cloud were actually at Nibelheim, why would the others believe her over him?

[XCGriever]

Zell's disturbing addiction to the cafeteria hot dogs. We don't know what they're made of here, imagine what they might be made of in a world where Ochus, Malboros, Wendigos, and Caterchipillars roam free.

And I would take offense to people saying Squall is deeply disturbed but my test result came back as him so I'll say ...whatever.

[champagne supernova]

And the mome rath Big D outgrabe

That's easily explained away - in fact, it's specifically addressed in the game.

You are correct, it is addressed in the game. Just like everyone forgetting they were at the same orphanage is addressed in the game.

My point is: is the explanation around Tifa's non-action any better than "the guardian forces made me forget". I think most stories have areas that are implausible, or are fixed through things like the GF made me forget. At the end of the day, VIII managed to use this weakness to reinforce the theme of companionship in the game - Yes, GFs made them lose their memory, but if they reminded each other, and remained friends, then they could overcome this. Just like later in the game, to survive time compression.

I think Square had some fun with the GF business though. Squall uses "the GF made me forget" as an excuse with Rinoa. That made me chuckle.

[ReloadPsi]

Anything involving Zell, just about. He pissed me so very off.

[Marky Tee]

the bit where after visiting dr odine you err catapult of into space
is it just me or was there nothing mentioned about goin into space what so evr til 2 minutes beforehand?
and squall seem to know about it but i didnt

[Big D]

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the bit where after visiting dr odine you err catapult of into space
is it just me or was there nothing mentioned about goin into space what so evr til 2 minutes beforehand?
and squall seem to know about it but i didnt

Yeah, that got me too. He's told to go to Lunar Gate (sorry, I mean [Lunar Gate]) to see Ellone; once he's there, they just tell him - out of the blue - that he's been expected, and that he'll be heading into orbit. You'd think a little prior warning would be expected...

[Marky Tee]

thing is squall knew about it,when asked if your(the party) are the ones going into space he replies yes and seems not even fased or curious as to why at all