The dumbest moments in FF8 - Page 10

The Crystal · 07-13-2007, 12:08 AM

Originally Bespoken by ReloadPsi

They're not in the future. Time is compressed, so objects from the future are with them in the present. It's a very lame, poorly thought out plot concept.

Yes, they are in the future. Play the game again and pay attention.

Goldenboko · 07-13-2007, 02:00 AM

Despite it all being bad, Ultimecia was especially dumb.

"Kurse all SeeD! Swarming like lokus throughout the generations!"

atlanteay · 07-13-2007, 02:25 AM

Edea and Seifer made a cool main villain combo. If only they stopped it at CD2 and totally left out Ultimecia.

Takara · 07-13-2007, 05:44 AM

Originally Bespoken by The Crystal

Originally Bespoken by ReloadPsi

They're not in the future. Time is compressed, so objects from the future are with them in the present. It's a very lame, poorly thought out plot concept.

Yes, they are in the future. Play the game again and pay attention.

They're not. Time is compressed. Hence why it's called Time Compression. That means past, present, and future merged together. Think of it like the End of Time in CT, except it's an amalgam of time periods that is somewhere outside of time itself instead of a total void of time periods with gates that lead to different epochs.

Originally Bespoken by *~Dagger Trepe~*:

Rinoa being a damsel in distress in space. *kills self*

And in Deling City. And during the battle between Balamb Garden and Galbadia Garden. And while being imprisonned in the Sorceress Memorial. And after Adel junctionned to her.

The Crystal · 08:20 AM

Originally Bespoken by atlanteay

Edea and Seifer made a cool main villain combo. If only they stopped it at CD2 and totally left out Ultimecia.

Edea wasn't a villain. In disc 1 and 2, Ultimecia was Edea in "disguise". She was using Edea's body as a shell, to move, talk, and fight.

For example, Ultimecia's first words in FFVIII were:
"...Poor, poor boy..."
"Such a confused little boy. Are you going to step forward? Retreat? You have to decide."

This was Ultimecia(inside Edea's body) talking with Seifer, in Timber.

Ultimecia was there all the time. This is why Edea(the true one) said that Ultimecia was possessing her BODY. But you didn't pay attention to that.

Originally Bespoken by Takara:

They're not. Time is compressed. Hence why it's called Time Compression. That means past, present, and future merged together. Think of it like the End of Time in CT, except it's an amalgam of time periods that is somewhere outside of time itself instead of a total void of time periods with gates that lead to different epochs.

Yes they are. Before you enter Lunatic Pandora, Dr. Odine explained that Squall and the others would go throught TC, and LEAVE it. When they leave TC, they would be in Ultimecia's future.
But you didn't know that, because you didn't pay attention to Odine's words.

After talking with many people in many forums, i discovered the truth. And the truth is... Many people don't like the story of FFVIII, because they didn't pay attention to it.

Karellen · 07-13-2007, 09:27 AM

Originally Bespoken by The Crystal:

Originally Bespoken by atlanteay:

Edea and Seifer made a cool main villain combo. If only they stopped it at CD2 and totally left out Ultimecia.

Edea wasn't a villain. In disc 1 and 2, Ultimecia was Edea in "disguise". She was using Edea's body as a shell, to move, talk, and fight.

For example, Ultimecia's first words in FFVIII were:
"...Poor, poor boy..."
"Such a confused little boy. Are you going to step forward? Retreat? You have to decide."

This was Ultimecia(inside Edea's body) talking with Seifer, in Timber.

Ultimecia was there all the time. This is why Edea(the true one) said that Ultimecia was possessing her BODY. But you didn't pay attention to that.

I think what he meant was that he would have preferred Ultimecia to be written out of the story completely and for Edea's villainous persona to be her actual character, rather then Ultimecia speaking through her.

atlanteay · 07-13-2007, 04:20 PM

Originally Bespoken by Karellen

Originally Bespoken by The Crystal:

Originally Bespoken by atlanteay:

Edea and Seifer made a cool main villain combo. If only they stopped it at CD2 and totally left out Ultimecia.

Edea wasn't a villain. In disc 1 and 2, Ultimecia was Edea in "disguise". She was using Edea's body as a shell, to move, talk, and fight.

For example, Ultimecia's first words in FFVIII were:
"...Poor, poor boy..."
"Such a confused little boy. Are you going to step forward? Retreat? You have to decide."

This was Ultimecia(inside Edea's body) talking with Seifer, in Timber.

Ultimecia was there all the time. This is why Edea(the true one) said that Ultimecia was possessing her BODY. But you didn't pay attention to that.

I think what he meant was that he would have preferred Ultimecia to be written out of the story completely and for Edea's villainous persona to be her actual character, rather then Ultimecia speaking through her.

exactly. I know Ultimecia was controlling Edea but you found that out in CD3 so if they stopped at CD2 and kept Edea as the default antagonist with her wussy knight, it would be much better imo (especially since people always complain about how late in the game ultimecia was introduced)

besides, that part of the story was really big to miss so there's no way that i could finish the game 5 times and still not pay attention to that =p

The Crystal · 09:25 PM

Originally Bespoken by atlanteay

exactly. I know Ultimecia was controlling Edea but you found that out in CD3 so if they stopped at CD2 and kept Edea as the default antagonist with her wussy knight, it would be much better imo

Can you explain why you think it would be better? Because excluding their physical appearance, "evil" Edea and Ultimecia are literally the same person.

(especially since people always complain about how late in the game ultimecia was introduced)

Because they didn't understand the story. Because they didn't understand that Ultimecia was introduced in the 1st CD(in Timber), and Edea was introduced only in the 3rd CD.

I'm sorry, but i still cannot understand why people prefer the villain Edea over Ultimecia. Because that means they prefer Ultimecia over Ultimecia. And that don't make any sense!