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I've said several times that I don't think humanity was wiped out.
Humans did not fix the problem, Diamond Weapon, Holy and Meteor fixed the problem. So really after clearing up the humans mess, the planet would be a bit annoyed.
Again I've explained how I think Holy decides, if something has done much more to harm the planet than it has done to benefit it then it counts as bad.
It isn't murder, unless you are REALLY eco-friendly. Would you consider it murder to get rid of head lice? That's exactly the same thing. Humans aren't special to the planet, just tiny little destructive creatures sucking the life out of it.
Old 03-08-2003, 12:39 AM
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Where did you say that you think humanity wasn't destroyed?

And, Cloud and co. fixed most of the problem. The Weapons didn't help out much at all.
Old 03-08-2003, 03:12 AM
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I've said it several of my posts.

What game are you playing? In what way did Cloud and Co. fix most of the problem?
Old 03-08-2003, 02:10 PM
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What some of you are saying doesn't really add up. Holy Could of destroyed all of humanity in a second as bungenhagen said It makes everything bad for the planet dissapear but it tried to stop meteor since that was a bigger threat it didn't try to help it obviously since that would destroy the planet so it was over powered and the planted released the lifestream to help it and together they destroyed the meteor with lots of people watching for Kalm. If holy was really trying to destroy humanity these people wouldn't be there. And dont you think that humanity summoning holy would outway a decade or two of one city sucking some life out of the planet. And before you say it aeris is half human.
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It was the Cetra half of Aeris that knew to summon Holy. Even then I'm not sure it really makes up for it, it was only half a human's good deed against entire corporations and armies. Depending what you believe, it was a human that summoned meteor in the first place.
If you don't then that's a pretty good arguement.
Old 03-08-2003, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix 17:
In what way did Cloud and Co. fix most of the problem?

They killed Jenova, killed Sephiroth (three times) and released Holy from its confinement in doing so. That probably counts as fixing most of the problem.
If Holy was going to kill ALL Humans, it would've started with Cloud and Co, yet as I've said they were closer to Holy than anyone else and weren't affected in the least. Holy would not annihilate an entire species just because a few of them weren't terribly nice. That kind of rampant destruction would make it little better than Meteor. Bugenhagen said that "all that is bad will disappear..." The humans in FFVII aren't funadamentally 'bad' or 'evil'. Even some of Shinra's top executives were merely misguided and naive, rather than 'evil'. It's their creations - such as Mako reactors - which were causing true harm to the Planet.
Anyway, here's something to think about... Red XIII killed a lot of people and monsters during the fight against Shinra and Sephiroth. That could be considered 'evil', yet we know that he survived.
Old 03-08-2003, 11:19 PM
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We were talking about Shinra, not meteor, I know they helped stop meteor.

I still think Holy would wipe none or all of a species.
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Well, AVALANCHE destroyed some mako reactors in Midgar, kept the rest of the world's reactors from being in use, and then stopped Hojo from from sucking up too much mako for that cannon.

Phoenix: I agree with your last post completely. Either Holy wiped out all humanity, or it didn't.


Someone(too lazy to look) brought up a good point...Holy was summoned, but the humans weren't effected directly by its presence...if Holy truly intended to wipe everyone out, wouldn't you have seen some sign of it?
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