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[NeoTifa]

Jenova is creepy in general. Case closed.

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[VeloZer0]

Was Jenova ever explicitly stated to be conscious during FFVII?
It always seemed strange to me that Sephiroth could be the one controlling her, but if she was actually never self-aware for the events of FFVII it all falls in to place perfectly.

I've never actually read the Ultimania, I suppose I should add that to my to do list.

[Khalin]

Since this game's translation [at least as far as the Playstation version goes] was extremely shoddy, then I would consider reading the Ultimania a requirement to understanding the game. Honestly, so much is not explained, worded improperly, or just plain left out that I don't see how it's really possible for anyone to fully understand the game without reading the Ultimania.

[cetra1]

Originally Posted by NeoTifa ^

Jenova was the true villian. Sephiroth was just a tool *jumps off cliff* Still love him though

You can see JENOVA as the true evil cause JENOVA was the beginning of all evil in Final Fantasy.

But you can see ShinRa as the true evil as well, cause...well, I think there is no need to explain anymore.

However, Sephiroth is the one who controls the "Calamity from the Sky", JENOVA. Both are extremely intelligent creatures. Sephiroth doesn't think his "mother" JENOVA is dangerous for himself. But JENOVA acts instinctive like an animal. She would control him. But she cannot. You can see it that way (to explain it easier): Sephiroth just read Doctor Gast's documents (and he didn't knew that part of the books were false, cause Gast has not known that he discovered only JENOVA's shapeshifted fake body while he wrote this books), Sephiroth sure knew that JENOVA was an alien. Correct, not in the original Final Fantasy VII. But in Crisis Core we all see, that Genesis is the one who has told him. But then Sephiroth reads Gast's books (in my opinion the most important scene of the Nibelheim incident, so it is sad that it is only a memorial scene in the D.M.W.). Gast was like an idol for Sephiroth, so he just believed in what he's read in his books and so Sephiroth thought JENOVA was an ancient and no alien life form. And he thought the ancients betrayed other ancients, instead of living a nomadic life they started to live like a normal human being. And of course a Cetra is nothing than a human being, but with some special abilites and they are really intelligent - but they are nomads. And so Sephiroth thought the traitors became human and the Cetra's time was over. He didn't know that almost all Cetra were killed by the virus of the JENOVA cells and that the rest of them then began to live like human. And of course that's why they lost their abilities and finally became just human (so all human are the Cetra's descendants, they just have no abilities, but I think you all know that). Only a few people left, so Iphalna, the last true Cetra got a baby, a half-Cetra whose abilities wasn't as powerful as hers, but that's not important. Anyway, Sephiroth thought he had to take revenge because of his mother who was a Cetra (of course she wasn't). So he asked her "mother, what should I do?" and that's no problem, I mean she is Sephiroth "mother", so why shouldn't he talk to her? And JENOVA just whispered "they are evil. let them suffer. kill them." And Sephiroth did. But then his will became stronger and stronger. After fallen into the lifestream, after his body has vanished and he was resisting the flow of life itself because of his powerful will, he travelled trough this lifestream and he absorbed the ancient's knowledge in it. He became the master of the JENOVA cells and he just dominated her and her abilities. Then, he used the power of regeneration to regenerate himself at the northern crater. And I think the rest is clear.

But there is one thing in the Ultimania which is still misunderstandable. The man with the tatoo "1" is in the clone list/tatoo list (like Nanaki as well, but we all know that he is no clone of course), but it is not mentioned that he is no clone. This man is Sephiroth himself. The "number one of the JENOVA project: S". You can also know that because of three important lines in Final Fantasy VII itself. But I think, Square just thought that it is obvious, so they hadn't noticed anymore.

[chrcoluk]

well what did seph do that was evil? and references to him during the game?

ok initially he comes across as just a powerful member of soilder.
we later find out he is evil and burned a town down to the ground which happens to be tifas and clouds hometown.
we also later find out he is manipulating cloud making him even attack his own friends and nearly kill aeris.
he then does pretty much the ultimate evil and kills aeris whilst her back is turned. This to me was very bad I am to this day not over the fact aeris dies in the game.
At this point the party not is after him to stop him casting metoer (which by the way will only kill everyone on the planet) but to also take revenge for aeris, this point is made in the game numerous times.
Even rufus realises seph is 'too' evil, and the turks also promise to take seph out if they beat your party in their final battle.

of course hojo is evil as well as we find out from some flashbacks and what he does during the game.

there is numerous flashbacks showing seph's character background, of course some are optional like vincent's wife.

[Melissaur]

So this is a really interesting thread. And yes I'm on Khalin's side as well. You make very valid point and i basically agree with everything you said. I, too, feel that Sephiroth is moderately over-rated. I still like him but not nearly as much as some. But thanks this was fun to read XD

[Guardian XIII]

Originally Posted by Khalin ^

Originally Posted by sir helix ^

ff7/ sephy was so misunderstood and he took his ****ed up life to the extreme

This is the line that really bothers me. This "misunderstood business" just annoys me a bit. There are plenty of people that have it far worse than this nutcake and don't even up like murderers. Ultimately, this is just an excuse Sephiroth uses to indulge in his vengeful and wrathful nature, just like most cliche Japanese villains of this sort do. I think they should have given him much better motivation.

Perhaps you should take a breather and remember that this is just a game. A designer sat in his room and developed this character to be "misunderstood" and "take his f-ed up life to the extreme". It sounds to me as if you're trying to find a "rational solution" that doesn't exist for a fictional character to be the way he was written to be.

Also, if you need to read a guide to understand the game you just played then you should probably get your head examined.

[Melissaur]

I love these heated threads!