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#25  I'm agreeing to the latter, I'm afraid. The track is called "Those Chosen by the Planet". Perhaps if they re-did it with modern synth, it would be a lot better, but I doubt it since Square has a nasty habit of butchering musics they remake. I mean honestly, look at what they did to the Illusionary World track in the DS version of FF IV [and the GBA remake for that matter; the SNES version of this track is by far the superior quality out of any FF IV incarnation they've created]. |
05-02-2009, 08:01 PM
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| | Khalin: 1) Sephiroth's appearance and personality can be considered cliche by now, but it was pretty original at the time. Remember that FFVII is a very old game. 2) Sephiroth was using Jenova's body to interact with you. So it's not true that he only appeared in flashbacks and at the end of the story. Because he was there, speaking and interacting with the characters all the time. The fact he was using Jenova's body to do it, is a mere detail. 3) Don't get me wrong, but I have the impression you read too much forum-debates about Sephiroth, where the haters state that "he only k1lled a flower g1rl!!1" or "he only destr0yed a v1llage!!1one!", and you forgot everything he actually did in the game. Sephiroth did a lot of things. But there are many FFVII-haters who ignore it, and you shouldn't go by what they say. Examples of his accomplishments that are ignored by the haters are: He killed everyone in the Shinra Building and Shinra Cargo Ship(while using Jenova's body), manipulated the party in giving the Black Materia to him, screwed Cloud's mind, was the responsible for all the chaos caused by the Weapons and Meteor, held back Holy(the only thing able to destroy Meteor), created a barrier around the Crater, absorbed tons of Lifestream, absorbed the Black Materia(you can see it attached to Safer Sephiroth's body), summoned Meteor(that destroyed Midgar), killed lots of people with Geostigma, etc. |
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05-16-2009, 08:54 PM
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| | Eh? It was only new to the video game scene. His appearance has been cliche in anime for a long, long time. This started long before FF VII was even conceived. The only reason why I know this is because I used to watch a lot of fan subbed anime at the time. Yes, I'm aware of this. I'm not sure what your point is. I was implying that the only teaspoon of personality that you get from him was through the dialogue in the flashback. I'm grateful for your concern, but trust me, I'm not going by what they say. I'm going off of my personal experience with having played this game myself. I'm well-aware of everything he pulled off. My point is that it was lighter in comparison to some of the past FF villains. Even as far back as the Emperor from FF II who just decided to stop wasting time and destroy nearly every town in the game with a Cyclone. I'm aware of the fact that he killed people in the Shin-Ra building and the ship, as well as summoning Meteor and killing "flower girl". Trust me, I played the game. I'm voicing my opinion based on how I felt about Sephiroth as a villain. I'm not trying to be rude, but you haven't really pointed out anything that I [or anyone else here] didn't already know. I will agree that Sephiroth haters don't extend much credit to him, however I think he's given far too much credit by fanboys. As for the Geostigma bit, I'm not really sure what to say to this. While I appreciate that they made a nicely CG-animated movie about FF VII [which allows us to get at least some voice/personality attatched to the characters we like], I really hated the "plot" for the movie with a passion, and I couldn't take it seriously. I thought the entire concept of the Geostigma was ridiculous, as was the attempt to find an excuse to slide Sephiroth into the movie. I won't even go into how annoyingly stupid Kadaj and those other two retards were. I still stand by my opinion that Hojo was the true twisted and villianous mastermind among all the antagonists in FF VII, and he played a major role. For some reason, I just couldn't really respect Sephiroth's character. Of course, it may be due to my initial heavy dislike for him based on his cliche presentation and appearance, however I've seen other characters like that which ended up redeeming themselves with interesting characterization. In my opinion, Sephiroth had no characterization. |
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05-17-2009, 12:06 AM
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| | Kefka's appearance and character was very cliche too, but you still liked him. Ah, okay. Well, I had the impression that you didn't know some things, because you said: "Most of them manage to wreak heavy destruction of some sort before they're finally defeated, but Sephiroth did very little. He almost had something going with Meteor, but it was countered. I don't think torching a small town or killing Aerith really count as "heavy destruction" either." Right here, you ignored all the "heavy destruction" caused by the Weapons and Meteor. And I know this is your opinion, but... I want to understand why you think he "did very little", after watching the entire planet of FFVII being in complete chaos because of his actions(Weapons attacking cities, Meteor approaching, Shinra failing to stop both of them, and later, Geostigma infecting and killing the world's population, soon after Shinra and Midgar were completelly erradicated by his Meteor). I just want to understand, why do you think all that was "very little". And to tell you the truth, I find it harder to respect Kefka than Sephiroth. But that's just me. Ah, and if you didn't like the convoluted plot of AC, I suggest you go watch ACC. Many plot points not explained in AC, are explained in the Complete version of the movie, and it's much easier to understand the story now. Sorry if I sounded rude at some point. It wasn't my intention. |
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05-17-2009, 03:58 AM
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| | I actually have to disagree with that. The appearance of a regal clown? I don't see too many games or anime that have a primary antagonist that looks this way [anyone who thinks otherwise is free to spend a while on google to find villains that have this type of appearance. For every one that's pasted to me, I'll paste 10 Sephiroth look-a-likes]. As for his personality, he's a bit of a joke and a goofball, but in a demented way. This connection which is strangely more humane than what most FF villains display gives good connection to the audience in my opinion. Let's address this. First off, the destruction caused by the weapons was caused by the weapons, not Sephiroth. They were released by his doing yes, but let's not branch credit here. As for Meteor destroying Midgar, evidently a huge portion of the population of Midgar ends up surviving anyways [as shown in the FF AC movie, who proceed to build the city of Edge outside of Midgar's ruins], and for the most part this destruction doesn't really do a whole lot to change the face of the world or anything, unlike the Mist-infected world of FF IX or the World of Ruin brought about in FF VI by Kefka's recklessness with the three statues of the Warring Triad, as well as fooling around with his tower. One crushed city does not a destroyed-world make. Even the emperor of Final Fantasy II [arguably] wrought a heavy amount of destruction, despite the fact that you don't really get any attachment to all of the cities that are wiped out. Besides, in the end, Meteor ends up getting countered anyways, even though there are some casualties attached [as you show in your current signature]. As for Geostigma, you're going off-track from the game FF VII itself [which is what the discussion is about] and are trying to bring other things in here. On the issue of Geostigma, it's a failed world poison that I found a bit too disney-ish because it's easily cured by the released outflow of water that's been exposed to lifestream [which is actually supposedly mentally hazardous as explained in the first game] that cures Cloud's Geostigma, along with everyone else's. I have, but it didn't really change my mind on it to be honest. Those three extensions/manifestations-of-Sephiroth/whatever-you-wanna-call-it just bugged the hell out of me. They were annoying and had ridiculous personalities. The Geostigma concept was silly, especially seeing how easily it was cured [the way they slid that in was also a face-palmer, being that it was so simple that it could've been done at any time]. As for respecting Sephiroth, I explained my arguments and reasons stated above. And to that, I guess I'll have to add that even by the time FF VII had come out, I had already seen too many "Sephiroth"s. That general appearance combined with that personality archetype in general was [and still is, though to a slightly lesser extent] very prevalent in anime. I'm not trying to be rude either, but I dislike Sephiroth for several reasons which I've already stated. It may sound redundant but, these reasons are there for a reason. Trust me, if I didn't have any issues with Sephiroth, I wouldn't dislike his character so much. I was a fan of Final Fantasies, RPG's in general, and anime [as well as the anime culture in Japan] long before FF VII came out. Not all, but a good portion of the people that I talk to who I feel overly-praise FF VII admit that FF VII was the first RPG they played [or at least one of their first]. A good amount of them say things along the lines of older FF games being "crappy" because they're too primitive/weren't designed for a powerful enough console or had inferior graphics or whatever, which drives me up the wall due to its hideous close-mindedness. However, I hope you don't mistake me for someone that hates FF VII. As I've stated in several topics, I really liked this game a lot despite all of my complaints about it, and it's nowhere near my bottom list. Last edited by Khalin; 05-17-2009 at 05:42 AM.. |
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05-17-2009, 05:14 AM
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| | This is the line that really bothers me. This "misunderstood business" just annoys me a bit. There are plenty of people that have it far worse than this nutcake and don't even up like murderers. Ultimately, this is just an excuse Sephiroth uses to indulge in his vengeful and wrathful nature, just like most cliche Japanese villains of this sort do. I think they should have given him much better motivation. |
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05-17-2009, 07:04 AM
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| | Oh please. There are tons of evil-clowns in fiction, and you know it. Kefka is a one-dimensional cliche villain. Then let's not give credit to Kefka for destroying the world, because the Statues did it for him. He just pushed them. Let's not give credit to Kuja for killing a lot of people, because the Black Mages did it for him. Give me a break. After Meteor, the world lost it's main source of energy(Mako), it's main government(Shinra), and was being infected by an uncurable disease. Yes, Meteor DID "a whole lot to change the face of the world". You can read "On the Way to a Smile: Case of Barret" if you don't believe me. ACC is canon to FFVII, and I will use it. To a "failed"(lol) world poison, it did a pretty good job. And it was only cured after Sephiroth's will was gone. Ah, and I found FFIX pretty disney-ish. Maybe because you don't want to change your mind about it. Wow, you really didn't understand the movie's plot. Geostigma couldn't be completely cured until Sephiroth's will was gone. This is why Cloud had to beat him first. Well, you have the right to dislike a character for whataver reason. But disliking him because of his looks, is the same as liking him because of his looks. It's shallow. I could be wrong, but I have the impression your problem is not with the character itself, but with his popularity and fanbase. |
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05-17-2009, 10:03 AM
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