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#73  Ah, I understand now. So, because you think FFVII is a crap game, that means it is. And it shouln't be popular for that reason(for being crap, in your opinion). LOL Another fact for you dude: Your opinion is not a fact. Just becauce YOU think FFVII is a crap game, doesn't mean it is. And it's obvious you are blinded by hate. You are even labeling and insulting the entire FFVII-fanbase, just because of some fanboys. It's obvious now, that you are a waste of time. Bye. Last edited by The Crystal; 07-23-2008 at 06:03 PM. |
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 | No  .Here's something even more obvious. Just because YOU think it's not crap, that doesn't mean it isn't. It's so annoying when people act like every post needs to come with a disclaimer attached. If you're just going to go "lol ur opinyun isnt fakt lol" at everyone who disagrees with you, there's not much of a point in discussing anything with you, is there? |
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| | Did I state as a fact, that FFVII is not a crap game? Nope. Being crap or not, is subjective to each person. It's not a fact, and I NEVER presented my opinion about it, as a fact. But here is a real fact: FFVII's popularity is NOT proof of it being overrated. "Popularity" and "being overrated" are different things. |
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07-23-2008, 06:12 PM
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 | *facepalm* Here we go again. Shall I define 'overrated' for you? If you cannot use opinions in a thread where an opinion is being asked, the point of the thread itself is gone. It wouldn't be a discussion if everyone had to agree. The question at hand was 'Is FFVII Overrated?' not 'FFVII is not overrated. Agree with me'. This happens all of the time. I state my opinion on the game and I'm always on the receiving end of the tongue-lashing because I just don't agree. I don't give a rat's ass if you think the game is overrated or not. I didn't question your opinion, so you shouldn't question mine. I said my part and you just had to attack me for it. Do I think FFVII is overrated? YES. Do you have to agree with me? NO. Am I allowed to say what I want regarding the subject? YES. Should that impact your opinion? NO. Am I allowed to disagree with you? APPARENTLY NOT. Do I think FFVII is a crap game? Yeah, pretty much. Is my opinion fact? No, it's an opinion and I'm entitled to have mine as much as you're entitled to yours. It's clear that you're blinded by always having to be right and that you are the epitome of why I hate the fanbase so much. It always has to be 'agree or you're an idiot'. Perhaps I am blinded by hate. I wouldn't be if I was allowed to voice my damn opinion without always being the subject of a bitchfest afterward. Bye. |
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07-23-2008, 06:14 PM
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| | Ahhhh... So, because it's your opinion, no one can argue against it, right? Well... In my opinion, the planet Earth is a giant cookie. Don't argue with me, because I have the right to state my opinion. ............. Opinions have to be based on facts. If you have your facts wrong, your opinion IS wrong(yes, opinions can be wrong too). By your argument, the success of the game = it being overrated. Sorry but that's wrong. Go find the definition of the word "overrated" AND "popular"/"successful" before using them. They don't have the same meaning, and that's a fact. Last edited by The Crystal; 07-23-2008 at 06:36 PM. |
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07-23-2008, 06:31 PM
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| | Opinions that contradict the known facts are nothing. Momiji's opinion contradicts the dictionary. "Popular" or "successful" =/= "overrated". |
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07-23-2008, 06:42 PM
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 | Well, I had been playing FF for a few years before VII was released and had played other RPGs such as Breath of Fire, Chrono Trigger and Lufia and I did find VII to be something new and refreshing. As a whole, VII takes a new approach to the world of an RPG. It got rid of the castles, kingdoms, kings, knights and princes which had become the trademark if not the cliché of the genre. I also think that character development rose to a new level with this game as the characters seem more deep and able to convey a wider set of emotions than in previous games. It is not just because of the better graphics, it is their behavior, how they move, react, speak and change during the game. Each character has a strongly marked personality. The story itself is far deeper and complex than any of the previous games and travels into a new territory in exploring the physchological aspects of the characters. The materia system was quite innovative in my opinion. Granted, it was not revolutionary, but it was great nonetheless and it gave grater freedom to customize your characters than previous games. It seems to be a fusion of sorts of the systems of V and VI, so in that I would say it is evolutionary. Something I like about the materia system is how strongly tied to the story and the rest of the game it is. It is not some isolated thing that is relevant only in battles; it is rooted in the story and directly derived from it. The whole chocobos breeding idea was great and it was something new as well. It also paved the way for all the future chocobo related mini games that we find in the others. There are also many small but great things that were new which I think are often overlooked but are what contribute in making the game great. I mean, I never did something in an RPG like riding a bike to escape some place while soldiers chase me and I have to take them down with a sword, or something like chasing a submarine while firing torpedoes at it to sink it, or like climbing a really cold mountain while keeping an eye on my body temperature, or something like the strategy game battle at Forth Condor in a previous FF. I could name more of these small things but all in all, I felt that the game packages so much variety into it and so well, it is like if you do a bit of everything in it. All this is also distributed across the story and the game also has an incredible pacing never allowing a dull moment to creep in. Sometimes people try to look for some major revolutionary thing in the game and end up disillusioned when they don’t find it and miss this sort of stuff. Nor were FFV and FFVI for that matter (ATB was introduced in IV). Does that make them mediocre? By that standard nearly every installment on the series is mediocre, don’t you think? Just because a game was not the first on something it doesn’t mean that it is mediocre. I agree that the game did not “revolutionize” the RPG genre. It is true, it didn’t and I think that this is one of the things that fans of the game exaggerate. But that doesn’t make it a mediocre game nor does it means that it does not deserve all the praise it gets. The changes VII brought about were not radical for the most part, which is what it would do if it were to revolutionize the RPG genre. The changes were evolutionary, it took and improved upon what came before it and added some new things as well. While it didn’t revolutionize the genre, it did take things to a new level and raised the bar and set the standard for future RPGs. That said why did VII bring more players to the genre? Obviously it did something right. I don’t think we can just chalk it up to good or excessive marketing. Previous Squaresoft games like Chrono Trigger and Secret of Evermore had great marketing campaigns with print and TV ads. I remember seeing plenty of SoE ads in magazines and the commercial for CT being played a lot on channels like MTV. I have read some blame it on the fact that the strategy guide was being sold as well, but strategy guides were available for previous games, so that cannot be the reason (how can it be, really?). I think it did something right and that captivated the imagination of people back then and still does so today. There are even ten year old fan sites of the game around, which are still active and the game still continues to keep the interest of old fans and attracts new ones to it and its related games and movie. I think that only something that is "special" is able to do that. No issue with you disliking the game. If you didn’t like it, then you didn’t, not much can be done about that other than discuss your reasons for disliking it and thinking it is overrated. But you said you will not post again here, so I guess that is not possible. Egami Last edited by Egami; 07-23-2008 at 06:53 PM. |
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