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[Halenite]

Xurts cried aloud with mirth and merriment:

Halenite cried aloud with mirth and merriment:

Xurts cried aloud with mirth and merriment:

Halenite cried aloud with mirth and merriment:

Xurts cried aloud with mirth and merriment:

Just because he is seen absorbing a blue materia doesn't mean that is the only one he used. I'm sure he had a red one in his arm too, we just didn't see him put it in. What is so outrageous about that? We don't need to see everything that goes on behind the scenes.

Sadly, this is not correct. You see what color of Materia is active at a specific time, as shown with Yazoo and Loz near the end. We see that Kadaj has a blue/green (I thought it was green, some say blue, so whatever) glow on his arm, implying that materia color is being used. Therefore, he is using that color materia to summon Bahamut Sin

The glow on Kadaj's arm was different from Yazoo and Loz's at the end. The materia that Yazoo and Loz had in there arms was actually glowing in their arms, you could the individual materia that they had. But with Kadaj, his arm was letting off some sort of blue-green flame. The same flame can be seen when he is talking to the children at the Forgotten City. And I doubt he is using materia then.

I think that Kadaj's blue-green flames look an awful lot like the Spirit Energy that emits from Cloud when he is using a Limit.

Actually, you do see the blueish flame around yazoo and loz's arm at the end.

The "flame" around him in the forgotten city, I admit, it doesn't look like he's using materia here. Not sure about that.

Also, I'm not gonna let it go mainly because I like debating these kinds of things, lol

They do have the flames. I never noticed that before.

Perhaps Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo have to use their own Spirit Energy to use materia? They aren't normal humans, so maybe they don't have MP? Kadaj's flames in the Forgotten City would make more sense then. He wasn't using materia but instead his own Spirit Energy.

Hmm?

That would make sense, we don't know everything about the SHM so...
to be honest, this theory is one of the better ones I've heard.

Xurts cried aloud with mirth and merriment:

Bahamut Sin is obviously new, since it wasn't in the game. Summon materia is always red. So the materia Kadaj inserted into his arm in the Forgotten City could not have been Bahamut Sin, but some other type of Support materia.

Just because it wasn't in the game doesn't necessarily mean it's new. I mean, there's no possible way the team could've gotten every single materia in the world is there? We do know, however, that it is unlikely that the box Loz took from the church (the one with the materia) contained the Bahamut Sin. Unfortunately, we do not know where Kadaj got it from. We also know (more than likely, this is true anyway), from the debate between me and Xurtz, that Bahamut Sin WAS, however summoned using a blue or green materia (I again, I say either/or because I think it's green, others think it's blue) meaning it isn't necessarily a summon Materia.

I do have another theory, however. We do know the SHM are remnants of Sephiroth. We truly don't know what these three are truly capable of. It's possible that Kadaj may have CREATED the Bahamut Sin.

Any thoughts?

[Xurts]

Halenite cried aloud with mirth and merriment

Just because it wasn't in the game doesn't necessarily mean it's new. I mean, there's no possible way the team could've gotten every single materia in the world is there? We do know, however, that it is unlikely that the box Loz took from the church (the one with the materia) contained the Bahamut Sin. Unfortunately, we do not know where Kadaj got it from. We also know (more than likely, this is true anyway), from the debate between me and Xurtz, that Bahamut Sin WAS, however summoned using a blue or green materia (I again, I say either/or because I think it's green, others think it's blue) meaning it isn't necessarily a summon Materia.

If Cloud didn't find it, then I doubt Kadaj did. The movie happens 2 years after the game, so it is perfectly likely that Cloud/Avalanche found it and put it in the box. If it wasn't in the box, then I don't know how else Kadaj would've gotten a hold of it. I doubt that he went searching for Materia after he escaped the Northern Crater.

Halenite cried aloud with mirth and merriment:

I do have another theory, however. We do know the SHM are remnants of Sephiroth. We truly don't know what these three are truly capable of. It's possible that Kadaj may have CREATED the Bahamut Sin.

Any thoughts?

Yeah, I suppose that's possible. If he didn't take it from Cloud's stock, then this would explain how he got it, and also why it is green instead of red.

[Dragon Mage]

Or perhaps, the blue color just looked better than the red in the movie. This movie is very heavy on blue and the red may just have clashed horribly with the rest of the background. That's what I think.
And everyone keep in mind that a lot of the materia found in the game was not the right color for that particular materia when it was on the ground. (such as the Double-Cut looked purple on the ground but should be yellow). Take this as you wil.

[Halenite]

When was Double-Cut ever confirmed even being used?

[Dragon Mage]

No; Halenite, I just meant that in the game the color of a materia, when found on the ground, often did not correspond to the real type of materia. For example, Double-Cut, when on the floor, was purple, an independant materia. However, it is really a yellow, and therefore a Command, materia. The colors just got mixed up, that's all. I never meant that Double-Cut was used in the movie. Just that colors of materia often get jumbled up.

Anyways, my point was that, 1)maybe it was blue because it looked better than red. and 2)materia colors in the game got mixed up often. Why not have the same thing happen in the movie?

[Xurts]

Dragon Mage cried aloud with mirth and merriment:

1)maybe it was blue because it looked better than red.

Making it blue instead of read just because it would look "better" doesn't make much sense. Square had to have known that all summon materia was red, and making it blue for the fact that it might look nicer would cause more problems than just leaving it the way it should be. A fan of the game would be a lot more likely to ask "why is that materia blue and not red, the color it should be?" rather than "I don't like that color, even though that's what all summon materia are. I think it would look nicer if it was blue."

Dragon Mage cried aloud with mirth and merriment:

and 2)materia colors in the game got mixed up often. Why not have the same thing happen in the movie?

FF7 came out in 1997, so minor graphical flaws like that are understandable, especially since it was the first 3D FF. AC, however, was using state-of-the-art CGI technology. I doubt it would have a flaw like that considering how fantastic the rest of the movie looks.

[Blitz Ace]

Halenite cried aloud with mirth and merriment

Just because it wasn't in the game doesn't necessarily mean it's new. I mean, there's no possible way the team could've gotten every single materia in the world is there? We do know, however, that it is unlikely that the box Loz took from the church (the one with the materia) contained the Bahamut Sin. Unfortunately, we do not know where Kadaj got it from. We also know (more than likely, this is true anyway), from the debate between me and Xurtz, that Bahamut Sin WAS, however summoned using a blue or green materia (I again, I say either/or because I think it's green, others think it's blue) meaning it isn't necessarily a summon Materia.

I do have another theory, however. We do know the SHM are remnants of Sephiroth. We truly don't know what these three are truly capable of. It's possible that Kadaj may have CREATED the Bahamut Sin.

Any thoughts?

Actually, im pretty sure Kadaj gets the Bahamut Sin materia from the box which Loz finds in the church. Reason? Kadaj picks up a materia (that is blueish green in colour) out of that box and puts it in his arm while at the forgotten city, and he says "this is what brother was hiding from us... with this materia, we'll obtain a new strength". His arm then glows a blueish green (more green) in exactly the same way as before he summons bahamut sin.

as for the glowing flames around the SHM, i agree with Xurts that it has probably got something to do with the fact that they are not ordinary humans or something...

[Laugh at face of Danger]

But summon materia is red. Unless of course they decide to argue the toss that Sin materia is blue. ¬_¬

Until this day, i'll sit on my high horse.