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[PontiusPilate]

i know, i just felt like stating the facts

[Ryushikaze]

Originally Posted by ~SapphireStar~

IT took me awile to understand but Denzel is their adopted kid

What? Wheres the proof? They are living with the orphens cause Rufus mentions it. Barret mentions protecting your mother, but I think it meant to protect your carer, but the translation was muddled up. I havent seen the dubbed version, so he may say something different that makes you believe that.

Read on the way to a Smile, which was linked to earlier in this thread for more info. And yes, Barret does say 'protect your mom' in both versions.

And Denzel and Marlene are the only orphans Cloud and Tifa are taking care of.

Originally Posted by Hayabusa

Ok - here's what I think - I really think Cloud and Tifa really have feelings for each other - But Cloud will always have a love for Aries - That's why he has visions and the memory of her - but in the GAME - They spent the night together on the Highwind....I thought that was pretty special - and in Advent Children - IT took me awile to understand but Denzel is their adopted kid and Tifa and Cloud are in Item but Cloud is/was a drifter- until the very end when he realizes he's not alone- He'll be with Tifa, but he will still always love Aries. I know I'm spelling her name wrong too sorry

Cloud has visions of Aerith because she is actually contacting him.
As for always loving Aerith, that's nothing special. The entire party loves Aerith (I know you mean Romantic Love, but there's actually rather little to suggest Cloud is romantically inclined towards her and a decent bit of evidence against that idea). Cloud feels guilt over letting her, Zack, his Hometown, etc. die, which added to his contraction of Geostigma caused him to believe he could never gain redemption, that he was useless, etc, which caused his self imposed exile.

Originally Posted by PontiusPilate

i know, i just felt like stating the facts

What Facts?

[Leeza]

PontiusPilate: Do NOT state your opinions as facts.

~SapphireStar~: Stay out of it.

[PontiusPilate]

Ok this is why i state what i say as a fact...

1. No where do they state that Cloud and Tifa are engaged.
2. Square would have went out and said it if they were.
3. Saying Cloud and Tifa are engaged is as trivial as saying that Cloud is actually Hitler dressed up in a custume. They never said he wasnt, but that doesnt mean he is.

Thats why its my opinion to say that what think is a fact. And by you telling me that i cant have an opinion to say what i think is a fact is contradicting yourself

[Leeza]

OOC:

Originally Posted by PontiusPilate Thats why its my opinion to say that what think is a fact. And by you telling me that i cant have an opinion to say what i think is a fact is contradicting yourself Yes, it is a fact that you have an opinion, but your opinion is not fact so post accordingly. Opinion 1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew). 2. A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion. 3. A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts. 4. The prevailing view: public opinion. Fact 1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy. 2. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact. 3. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case. 4. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.

[Hayabusa]

Originally Posted by ~SapphireStar~

Barret mentions protecting your mother, but I think it meant to protect your carer, but the translation was muddled up. I havent seen the dubbed version, so he may say something different that makes you believe that.

Yes I was using that quote to provide the theory but I haven't seen the "Official" translation yet.

Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

[Cloud has visions of Aerith because she is actually contacting him.
As for always loving Aerith, that's nothing special. The entire party loves Aerith (I know you mean Romantic Love, but there's actually rather little to suggest Cloud is romantically inclined towards her and a decent bit of evidence against that idea). Cloud feels guilt over letting her, Zack, his Hometown, etc. die, which added to his contraction of Geostigma caused him to believe he could never gain redemption, that he was useless, etc, which caused his self imposed exile.

I know she was contacting him, but look at his face man - He loved it, yet was sad just like when he was on the way to save the kids he turns around and BLAM back in the world dodging bullets. Kind of depressing.

[Ryushikaze]

Originally Posted by Hayabusa

I know she was contacting him, but look at his face man - He loved it, yet was sad just like when he was on the way to save the kids he turns around and BLAM back in the world dodging bullets. Kind of depressing.

I do look at his face. He ISN'T loving it. He's confused as all get out, then he starts kicking himself when Aerith appears, then he's confused again when she punts him back to reality.

Now if you mean in the end when they're leaving, yes, he's happy. It's because two of his best friends are making a special appearance to give him their best wishes and drive home the message that he has nothing to kick himself for.

[Mika]

Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

Actually, Wrexsoul, you do know that it's a fairly common custom to wear the engagement ring on the right hand and then switch it over at the time of marriage, yes?

Yes, you're right. I think it's obvious something is between them. Also, during the scene where it's just Cloud and Tifa, Tifa slams her hand on the bed and the camera focused a lot on the ring on her finger. Kinda...emphasizing it.