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[PontiusPilate]

i personally thought all their voiced sucked, and as much as i hate saying this, i prefered lance bass's sephiroth voice over this one. I was okay with cloud's, i still think it could have been better. or maybe it was his whiny, loner attitude towards everything i hated. The thing that really pissed me off about this is i thought now i could see my favorite heroes with better graphics and voiceovers, with the same personalities. Square did the exact opposite and made it seem like Cloud's "crew" was the cheesy comic relief of the movie.

[Amaru]

That's a really strange statement to make. I'm struggling to find the instances and bases for such a sentence. You say that "Cloud's crew" were the comic relief of the movie, when only Cait Sith did or said anything remotely of the sort. In fact, it was Reno and Rude who were the comic relief.

So yeah, really struggling to understand where that comment is coming from...

[Crye 4 Me]

I personally liked the movie, but had a problen no one has seemed to notice yet. Other than some already spoken about. I'm dissapointed on the fact that in the game Cloud and a few others had the Mako show in their eyes. The movie did not show that. Well maybe the kids eye change showed that but somehow I don't think so.

Cloud, Aeris, and Sephiroth all have mako eyes in the game. I was looking forward to seeing the way se did that. It dissapointed me to see that they didn't even try to do it. Other than that I liked the show.

[Ishin Ookami]

Originally muttered by Amaru:

That's a really strange statement to make. I'm struggling to find the instances and bases for such a sentence. You say that "Cloud's crew" were the comic relief of the movie, when only Cait Sith did or said anything remotely of the sort. In fact, it was Reno and Rude who were the comic relief.

So yeah, really struggling to understand where that comment is coming from...

I think he means everyone except for Tifa only showed up to say "hi" to the camera, and argue amongst themselves about whether or not they should help out cloud in his fight against sephiroth and kadaj. Oh yah, and the cloud tossing bit. Which I personally thought was REALLY stupid. It was like the last fight scene in iron monkey, except viertical and not really relevant whatsoever. Why do they all need to throw cloud when vincent can fly? And maybe Im nitpicking but if bahamut's skin is too tough, how bout using a piercing weapon, like I dunno, Cids spear or show off the Sierra's weaponry, to weaken bahamut so cloud can land the final blow?

In FFVII, it was a team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself. Which wouldn't have been so bad if he wasn't such an A$$ hole in the film.

[Amaru]

Originally muttered by Ishin Ookami:

In FFVII, it was a team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself. Which wouldn't have been so bad if he wasn't such an A$$ hole in the film.

Except that, you know, it took the entire team to help give him the momentum to reach Bahamut and strike him. It looked like a grand team effort to me...

[Ishin Ookami]

Originally muttered by Amaru:

Originally muttered by Ishin Ookami:

In FFVII, it was a team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself. Which wouldn't have been so bad if he wasn't such an A$$ hole in the film.

Except that, you know, it took the entire team to help give him the momentum to reach Bahamut and strike him. It looked like a grand team effort to me...

Originally muttered by myself:

team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself.

Meaning team effort, everyone working together to defeat the main enemies, like kadaj, loz, Yazoo, and sephiroth. And notice during the fight against Bahamut, only cloud lands any real damage against bahamut. And only cloud can defeat the three new villains in combat. Only cloud fights Kadaj. Only Cloud fights Sephiroth. The films real subtitle shouldn't have been Advent Children, It should have been Cloud the Bipolar and his Amazing Super Friends.

Like I said, it wouln't have been so bad if cloud was actually likeable. FFVII has some interesting characters like Vincent, Yuffie, Cid, and Red XIII. Why not actually let them have a respectable amount of spotlight?

You asked why someone would consider the rest of FFVII's main cast to only being relegated to clouds comic relief, that's the answer. Because THEY WERE relegated to the background. And when a film takes it's best characters, and makes them bit players in their own film, something is terribly wrong.

[Amaru]

Originally muttered by Ishin Ookami:

Originally muttered by Amaru:

Originally muttered by Ishin Ookami:

In FFVII, it was a team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself. Which wouldn't have been so bad if he wasn't such an A$$ hole in the film.

Except that, you know, it took the entire team to help give him the momentum to reach Bahamut and strike him. It looked like a grand team effort to me...

Originally muttered by myself:

team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself.

Meaning team effort, everyone working together to defeat the main enemies, like kadaj, loz, Yazoo, and sephiroth. And notice during the fight against Bahamut, only cloud lands any real damage against bahamut. And only cloud can defeat the three new villains in combat. Only cloud fights Kadaj. Only Cloud fights Sephiroth. The films real subtitle shouldn't have been Advent Children, It should have been Cloud the Bipolar and his Amazing Super Friends.

Like I said, it wouln't have been so bad if cloud was actually likeable. FFVII has some interesting characters like Vincent, Yuffie, Cid, and Red XIII. Why not actually let them have a respectable amount of spotlight?

You asked why someone would consider the rest of FFVII's main cast to only being relegated to clouds comic relief, that's the answer. Because THEY WERE relegated to the background. And when a film takes it's best characters, and makes them bit players in their own film, something is terribly wrong.

You seem to be under the impression that was meant to be a group sequel film. It wasn't, it never was, and certainly never meant to be. This started off life as a 15 minute retrospective on Cloud and his life after events of the game. It then grew it something larger, but the main focus and point was always on Cloud.

You say that only Cloud landed any real damage against Bahamut, when I could have sworn that Barrets attack was pretty effective, not to mention Vincent's gun attacks had the creature frustrated and lashing out. Not to mention Cid striking it square in the head and having it cry out. Only Cloud doing damage? I don't think so.

Only Cloud fights Kadaj? Only Cloud fights Sephiroth? I could have sworn that Tifa fought Loz. I could have sworn that Vincent saved Cloud. That Cid saved Tifa. That Reno and Rude took out Yazoo and Loz... Shall I go on?

Like I said, this wasn't their film, it was Cloud's. It was always meant to be like that. And yet, both Tifa, Vincent, Reno and Rude got more than decent exposure.

[Ishin Ookami]

Originally muttered by Amaru:

Originally muttered by Ishin Ookami:

Originally muttered by Amaru:

Originally muttered by Ishin Ookami:

In FFVII, it was a team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself. Which wouldn't have been so bad if he wasn't such an A$$ hole in the film.

Except that, you know, it took the entire team to help give him the momentum to reach Bahamut and strike him. It looked like a grand team effort to me...

Originally muttered by myself:

team effort to save the planet, in Advent Children, cloud does it all himself.

Meaning team effort, everyone working together to defeat the main enemies, like kadaj, loz, Yazoo, and sephiroth. And notice during the fight against Bahamut, only cloud lands any real damage against bahamut. And only cloud can defeat the three new villains in combat. Only cloud fights Kadaj. Only Cloud fights Sephiroth. The films real subtitle shouldn't have been Advent Children, It should have been Cloud the Bipolar and his Amazing Super Friends.

Like I said, it wouldn't have been so bad if cloud was actually likeable. FFVII has some interesting characters like Vincent, Yuffie, Cid, and Red XIII. Why not actually let them have a respectable amount of spotlight?

You asked why someone would consider the rest of FFVII's main cast to only being relegated to clouds comic relief, that's the answer. Because THEY WERE relegated to the background. And when a film takes it's best characters, and makes them bit players in their own film, something is terribly wrong.

You seem to be under the impression that was meant to be a group sequel film. It wasn't, it never was, and certainly never meant to be. This started off life as a 15 minute retrospective on Cloud and his life after events of the game. It then grew it something larger, but the main focus and point was always on Cloud.

Thank you for answering your own question about why someone would complain about all other characters besides cloud being relegated to his comic relief.

Also, we all saw the film. and yes, only cloud defeated kadaj, sephiroth, yazoo, Loz, and Bahamut. Shooting at bahamut and hitting it, perhaps hurting it slightly doesn't count as defeating it. Fighting against Loz, and yazoo don't count as defeating them. Which is Advent Children's main weakness. It's little more then a fanfiction dedicated to how cool cloud is. It's the "Wolverine" syndrome at it's worst. Wolverine is a cool enough character in the X-Men Comics, but he is over-exposed and at times made to be a bit too tough, which makes him irritating. Ditto for cloud, but he isn't even a likeable character. Making the film a 90 minute+ wank fest over how tough he is just makes the film even worse. Yuffie is cute, amusing, yet has a sense of duty and tradition in her heritage. Vincent is cool and mysterious, as well as conflicted about his past. RedXIII is conflicted and attempting to mature, to follow in his fathers footsteps. THESE are characters I wouldn't mind seeing given a good 90 minutes or so to develop in their own film. If there IS another FFVII film, then I hope square hire's a better script writer and puts one of these characters in the spotlight.