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Originally Posted by silentenigma ^
wait a minute, Frostwake, have you even played FF III,IV, and V? I'm sure you've played II because it always comes with FFI. I wouldn't ask this if I didn't think that you would love FFVI after comparing it to the preceding installments. All you are doing is comparing it to FFVII and FFVIII.
Woah lots of angry replies here today :P so Im gonna try to cover most replies here...

Well since I said "out of the first 9" it obviously means I played all of them! And let me tell you that FF I and FF V are up there as my favourites when it comes to "classic" FFs... FF I might have the most basic plot, but the gameplay is awesome and its probably the hardest FF, unless youre playing DOS

FFV has the job system and that about covers anything wrong with the game And I agree, X-Death is as bad of a villain as Kefka, "I want to get the power of the void to be all powerful" but at least he didnt laugh like a maniac :P

You see, some people like those kinds of brainless villains, I dont, I prefer 100 Sephiroths or Ultimecias than Kefka anyday, and as a note, Kuja was also a nice villain

Funny that people are saying "FFVI started it all" ugh.. No, FF VII started it all when it comes to amazing storytelling and deep characters + unexpected plot twists
If you go that way, FF II was the first to advance the plot About the only unexpected thing in FF VI is Terra being an esper, in FF II it turns out that the Dark Knight was Lionheart... Thats pretty much the same formula, so stop crediting FF VI

Now some things that are personal taste, FF VI has possibly one of the best theme tracks ever (Terra) but overall the music lacks the magic of other FFs, specially the battle theme.. Not only that but I think FF V has better graphics, when it comes to summons even more so... But thats not a "game sucks because of that" point

About the POS-FFVII superbosses with millions of HP, its natural since you can deal much more than 9999 every round, but FF V has awesome and HARD AS HELL bosses if you dont use cheap tactics (Omega and Shinryu obviously) and they dont top the 60 K hp barrier.. They dont need to, because you will do so little damage/spend rounds healing that 50 k seems like forever... Problem with FF VI is, as I said before, character damage is through the roof, and removes any challenge that might have been there

And how funny it is that FF VI lovers are also FF VII and VIII haters? Did it hurt much that square started to make 3d games and actually advanced the plot? If I forgot to cover some points remind me later :P
Old 02-06-2007, 10:13 AM
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You haven't commented on everyones KEfka thing. As Kefka was clearly no a random dude at all.

The Character Depth counters. The second half of the game is all about learning characters stories.

Really our problem isn't that you hate it, but that you don't even seem to have payed any attention at all.

And all the bosses you listed I could beat without cheap stratagies without much of a problem.

On note of Graphics, FF VI Graphics are without a dought superior, you just happen to preffer v's. Like I prefer Chrono Triggers to FF VII's blocky looking forms.

Also, I'm one of those haters. Mostly FF VIII. I liked FF VII, but I just go with Jenova was in control over Sephiroth. If it really is Sephiroth as the Ultimania Guide supposable says, then thats just plain lame.
Old 02-06-2007, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Frostwake ^
And how funny it is that FF VI lovers are also FF VII and VIII haters? Did it hurt much that square started to make 3d games and actually advanced the plot? If I forgot to cover some points remind me later :P
LE GASPETH! Personally, the only final fantasy I dislike is Final Fantasy IV. To me, good graphics are not essential for a final fantasy game to be good. I fell in love with FFVI in the first 5 minutes of it.
I'm just going to leave my opinion as:

Every Final Fantasy has its pros and cons and it just comes down to what sort of personality you have... kupo!
Old 02-06-2007, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Frostwake ^

FFV has the job system and that about covers anything wrong with the game
No it doesn't, cause gameplay is only half of what an RPG is and I'm sorry to say that FFV fails as a story. Gameplay-wise, I won't argue that FFV is damn fun but it's plot lacks cohesion and Reina and Krile are basically the same person. The game comes off really random and we get poor explanations as to why.


No, FF VII started it all when it comes to shoddy storytelling and poorly written characters + pointless plot twists

Sorry, I had to fix it for you Seriously, the later games have some terrible writing.

If you go that way, FF II was the first to advance the plot About the only unexpected thing in FF VI is Terra being an esper, in FF II it turns out that the Dark Knight was Lionheart... Thats pretty much the same formula, so stop crediting FF VI
Cecil being a Lunarian would have been a more accurate comparison but to each their own I guess.

But what about the whole World of Ruin? When did it occur to you that halfway through the game, the world was going to be destroyed and you would have to play in the apocolyptic aftermath of it? You already admitted that "random dude" Kefka becoming the main villain was a bit of a surprise.


About the POS-FFVII superbosses with millions of HP, its natural since you can deal much more than 9999 every round, but FF V has awesome and HARD AS HELL bosses if you dont use cheap tactics (Omega and Shinryu obviously) and they dont top the 60 K hp barrier.. They dont need to, because you will do so little damage/spend rounds healing that 50 k seems like forever... Problem with FF VI is, as I said before, character damage is through the roof, and removes any challenge that might have been there
I never found FFV challenging. I waltzed through that game without a guide and everything. Sure Gogo was a bit tricky and Omega kicked my ass the first time we met, but I still never found the game incredibly challenging. Perhaps we have a different opinion of challenge? Also, FFVI's character damage is not nearly as broken as FFVII, FFVIII, and FFXs.

And how funny it is that FF VI lovers are also FF VII and VIII haters? Did it hurt much that square started to make 3d games and actually advanced the plot?
No, I'm personally hurt by the fact that Square started to make poorly written trite. They have cutscenes to wow the player so they will forget the bad writing and half assed character development. Let us not forget pointless stupid plot twists that serve no purpose rather than to trick the player into believing the game is deeper and more intellectual than it really is. No that's why I'm pissed off by the newer titles...
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I think it's hilarious that you call Kefka a "brainless" villian when he was smart enough to trick the emperor, and kill him, trick Leo, and kill him, trick everyone basically, and destroy the world. Then sit there ruling over it. While you prefer Sephiroth, who was just doing exactly what Jenova wanted... talk about brainless.

As everyone has said, no FF game is particularly hard. I honestly can't believe you said FFI was hard. Especially the hardest FF. FFIII was hard in the same way that game was hard, you have to level grind to get anywhere at certain points. That's not hard, it's just time consuming. And if you're good, you don't even have to level grind. How can FFI be hard when I was 4 playing with two brothers, 6 and 7, and my mom watching us, and we beat it. Seriously now....

FFVII did not start amazing story telling. If you seriously think that, you didn't pay attention to this game at all. FFVI definitely had the best graphics of the generation, that's just a fact considering it used more of the power of the SNES. Maybe you prefer the graphics of FFV, but FFVI are graphically superior. Also, FFVI has some of the most memorable pieces of music, namely, the Opera.

Sigh, I'd also like to point out, that I do not hate FFVII or FFVIII. In fact I did not hate the character development or story of either. I've been called a Squall fanboy for sticking up for his character, so don't even try that crap on me. I do think FFVII is overrated, but not a bad game in any sense. You can think FFVI is overrated, but what you're saying is that it's crap, and that's just absurd. Especially considering your arguments don't even make sense if you've actually played the game. Plus, you contradicted yourself.

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it is rather easy yes....but there havent been many points where i have been like....BORRRIIINNNNGGG!!!!....as i did with ff7 and 8....ther characters are cool....how many are there?!like 11?!thats not that many....this game sure beats the hell outta ff7....it has some emotion i guess...but in terms of ridiculously hard bosses there are none no...or ridiculously hard dungeons.... a la ToP and DQ...but it sure beats the hell outta ff7....so stop being a fanboy....and uh...

i think what you said about kefka is kinda void.....
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Originally Posted by Frostwake ^
FF I might have the most basic plot, but the gameplay is awesome and its probably the hardest FF, unless youre playing DOS
Originally Posted by Frostwake, Original Post
Fifth, the plot, to FF standards, sucks! Sure, its better than the plot from FF 1
You fail and you do in the most miserable way that it isn't even funny. It really is pointless to respond to your arguments any further because you've already proven that you don't know what you are talking about.
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Originally Posted by Bunny ^
Originally Posted by Frostwake ^
FF I might have the most basic plot, but the gameplay is awesome and its probably the hardest FF, unless youre playing DOS
Originally Posted by Frostwake, Original Post
Fifth, the plot, to FF standards, sucks! Sure, its better than the plot from FF 1
You fail and you do in the most miserable way that it isn't even funny. It really is pointless to respond to your arguments any further because you've already proven that you don't know what you are talking about.
Actually, YOU failed to understand... If you read carefully, I say the FF I plot lacks in BOTH quotes.. its barely even there actually.. 4 light warriors save the world yay... BUT the thing is the gameplay more than makes up for it, while I didnt find the FF VI gameplay to be one bit fun, and so it carries on to the story to make up for it, since I didnt like it either, there you have it
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