The Kain Connection

Fredde · 02-13-2005, 12:34 PM

Did anyone else notice that in the GBA version of FFII, the kid in the Dragoon's castle is named Kain? Is this just a funny reference, or does it imply that FFII and FFIV are set in the same world, and that the Kain of FFIV is Spoiler: the son of the FFII Richard?

TheAbominatrix · 02-13-2005, 12:38 PM

It has to be a reference, simply because of the state of the world of II. Does the world of IV look anything like it? Not that I can see. None of those Kingdoms are in existance in the world of IV. There's too much difference and not enough time elapsed (if he's the son, then it would have to be... what, 10 years?) for it be the same world.

Destai · 02-13-2005, 12:40 PM

just another of Squares references. Even if they're in the same world they wouldnt take place a year or so after each other. Square doesnt play it that way. Thered be about a 1,000 years in between or something like that. They often make several references to Kain anyway , Kains Lance is a weapon that makes several appearances in the series.

Flashback007 · 02-13-2005, 07:28 PM

Probarly indeed a reference. I don't know if the orginal name of the kid in the NES-version of FFII was Kain. It can easily be a reference to FFIV that only appears in Dawn of Souls. So are there more reference in Dawn of Souls that aren't there before.

DJZen · 02-13-2005, 08:25 PM

If I recall correctly, there was never any mentioning of the kid's name at all in the original. They just kinda threw it in for tradition's sake. Sorta like how FFI DoS mentions that the airship was created by Cid.

Kawaii Ryûkishi · 02-13-2005, 08:37 PM

They also threw in the fact that Richard's last name is Highwind. Other characters bearing this name in the series include Cain Highwind (FFIV), Alexander Highwind Tycoon (FFV), and Cid Highwind (FFVII). Both Cain and Cid are Dragon Knight-type characters, and King Tycoon at least has a horned helmet. Since Richard was the first Dragon Knight to appear in a Final Fantasy game, it was appropriate to retroactively fit him with this name.

Destai · 02-13-2005, 11:48 PM

Maybe Square has a grand vision where all the games take place in the same world, with a fistful of centuries between each game? They made a seriously strong suggestion to it in X-2 and VII. Maybe each new game will continue revealing as the series draws to a close?

DJZen · 02-14-2005, 02:38 AM

Nah, it's just fanservice.

Fredde Yeah, but...y'know. Location: Down in Matoyas cave.	#1 The Kain Connection Did anyone else notice that in the GBA version of FFII, the kid in the Dragoon's castle is named Kain? Is this just a funny reference, or does it imply that FFII and FFIV are set in the same world, and that the Kain of FFIV is Spoiler: the son of the FFII Richard?
02-13-2005, 12:34 PM

TheAbominatrix Recognized Member Queen of Gonzo Location: Corona, California	#2 (permalink) It has to be a reference, simply because of the state of the world of II. Does the world of IV look anything like it? Not that I can see. None of those Kingdoms are in existance in the world of IV. There's too much difference and not enough time elapsed (if he's the son, then it would have to be... what, 10 years?) for it be the same world.
02-13-2005, 12:38 PM

Destai Banned Location: Ireland (In other words a B-I-G field)	#3 (permalink) just another of Squares references. Even if they're in the same world they wouldnt take place a year or so after each other. Square doesnt play it that way. Thered be about a 1,000 years in between or something like that. They often make several references to Kain anyway , Kains Lance is a weapon that makes several appearances in the series.
02-13-2005, 12:40 PM

Flashback007 Location: The Netherlands	#4 (permalink) Probarly indeed a reference. I don't know if the orginal name of the kid in the NES-version of FFII was Kain. It can easily be a reference to FFIV that only appears in Dawn of Souls. So are there more reference in Dawn of Souls that aren't there before.
02-13-2005, 07:28 PM

DJZen HEIDEGGER SI MY BISHI!!!1 Location: Under your bed	#5 (permalink) If I recall correctly, there was never any mentioning of the kid's name at all in the original. They just kinda threw it in for tradition's sake. Sorta like how FFI DoS mentions that the airship was created by Cid.
02-13-2005, 08:25 PM

Destai Banned Location: Ireland (In other words a B-I-G field)	#7 (permalink) Maybe Square has a grand vision where all the games take place in the same world, with a fistful of centuries between each game? They made a seriously strong suggestion to it in X-2 and VII. Maybe each new game will continue revealing as the series draws to a close?
02-13-2005, 11:48 PM

DJZen HEIDEGGER SI MY BISHI!!!1 Location: Under your bed	#8 (permalink) Nah, it's just fanservice.
02-14-2005, 02:38 AM