Eyes on Final Fantasy Forums > Final Fantasy: Nerds in Paradise > Final Fantasy III > SPOILERS Noah screwed Xande over!

[arcanedude34]

It's obvious that the three apprentices are not immortal, as throughout the game you kill Doga and Unne, and later they die for real by joining "the great soul" or whatever. So when Noah gave Xande mortality (which is a pretty lame gift anyway) wasn't he giving him something that he already had?

OH! And for that matter, who would want to live in a world where time was completely frozen? Wouldn't that mean Xande was just walking around the purpley world with nobody to talk to and nothing to do? That's definately a fate worse than death in my book.

Noah's an ass!

[Elpizo]

I hope this is a joke topic, or else you really missed the point, just like Xande did.

[arcanedude34]

The point being that Noah like Doga and Unne better, since he gave them things they didn't already currently possess?

[Elpizo]

Noah liked Xande most of all. And that was the entire point and moral of the story. Doga and Unei were given Dreamworld and Magicworld to guard, yes. But it's an existence in solitude. Look at Unei, she had to sleep for 1000 years. And Doga? He lived alone with moogles.

If Xande had understood his gift, the mortality of a normal human, the lifespan of a normal human, he would have understood that his life, albeit short, was the best of all. Doga and Unei would be caught up in their work for ages. But Xande? He could find a wife, he could go and find love, have children, a family, friends and all that. The nicest things of a human life. Through his children, Xande would have lived on, while Doga and Unei would eventually perish, leaving nothing behind but their work.

But Xande didn't understand. He saw his mortality as a human as a curse. Noah loved him the most, but he didn't see it. And thus he did what he did, halting the flow of time so he wouldn't die. But that was not what Noah had intended.

People complain FF III has no story. That IV was the first FF with a great story. I've shown you right here and now how deep FF III actually goes. It deals with life and death and how you deal with that. It deals with the good qualities of a human life. That was the moral of the story, really:

We may not live forever, but what short time we have can be worth more than every day of eternal life in solitude together. It all depends on what you make of it. Xande could have made it great. But he was so obsessed and afraid of death that he didn't do that. He missed every chance for love, friendship, children... All because he wasn't going to live as long as Doga and Unei.

Xande just didn't see the chance Noah had given him. He was a fool, I guess, but one I pitty.

[arcanedude34]

Originally Posted by Elpizo ^

Noah liked Xande most of all. And that was the entire point and moral of the story. Doga and Unei were given Dreamworld and Magicworld to guard, yes. But it's an existence in solitude. Look at Unei, she had to sleep for 1000 years. And Doga? He lived alone with moogles.

If Xande had understood his gift, the mortality of a normal human, the lifespan of a normal human, he would have understood that his life, albeit short, was the best of all. Doga and Unei would be caught up in their work for ages. But Xande? He could find a wife, he could go and find love, have children, a family, friends and all that. The nicest things of a human life. Through his children, Xande would have lived on, while Doga and Unei would eventually perish, leaving nothing behind but their work.

But Xande didn't understand. He saw his mortality as a human as a curse. Noah loved him the most, but he didn't see it. And thus he did what he did, halting the flow of time so he wouldn't die. But that was not what Noah had intended.

People complain FF III has no story. That IV was the first FF with a great story. I've shown you right here and now how deep FF III actually goes. It deals with life and death and how you deal with that. It deals with the good qualities of a human life. That was the moral of the story, really:

We may not live forever, but what short time we have can be worth more than every day of eternal life in solitude together. It all depends on what you make of it. Xande could have made it great. But he was so obsessed and afraid of death that he didn't do that. He missed every chance for love, friendship, children... All because he wasn't going to live as long as Doga and Unei.

Xande just didn't see the chance Noah had given him. He was a fool, I guess, but one I pitty.

I see what you're saying, I've always appreciated the first three FF's stories just as much as the rest of the series, not just because I'm a nostalgia junky, but because they are still really thought provoking (yes, even the first game) if you know what the plot is. That's really amazing considering the technical limitations at the time.

Aw, dammit, now I have this deep sadness that Xande wasn't chosen for Dissidia instead of a 100% one-dimensional character that was introduced at the very last minute. >_>

[dream ending sword]

tbh, id be pretty damn pissed in Zandes position, which i kinda am. So I guess from my position FF3 is the only FF where you play the bad guys

[Wolf Kanno]

I'm with Elpizo, Xande misinterpreted Noah's gift to him and then plunged the world into darkness and ruined peoples lives just so he could live forever. He's a sympathetic villain but a villain nonetheless. As for CoD, I rather liked the Void as well since it also can't be streamlined into "classical villain" role. It was only trying to fulfill its purpose of reducing everything to nothing if the balance is broken. Yes it manipulated Xande but the game implies that this is the CoD's cosmic role and its very nature.

In the end, I never felt there was anything two dimensional about FFIII.

[Elpizo]

Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno ^

I'm with Elpizo, Xande misinterpreted Noah's gift to him and then plunged the world into darkness and ruined peoples lives just so he could live forever. He's a sympathetic villain but a villain nonetheless. As for CoD, I rather liked the Void as well since it also can't be streamlined into "classical villain" role. It was only trying to fulfill its purpose of reducing everything to nothing if the balance is broken. Yes it manipulated Xande but the game implies that this is the CoD's cosmic role and its very nature.

In the end, I never felt there was anything two dimensional about FFIII.

Damn straight. It amazes me again and again how deep and developped FF III's story actually was considering its platform and the time when it was made. Too bad it's so underrated.