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#33  I must say, it all boils down to where the game will be easiest. It is easier to begin with the red mage (or two) but in the end, the game is simpler with a black mage (and a white mage). In the beginning, the red mage can learn all the same spells as a black and white mage AND has much better stats. But as time goes on, he begins to weaken. His progress from level to level would look much like a "square root" graph on a calculator. He accels nowhere. He has average stats, average equipability, average magic. At the end of the game (using Kn, Ma, RW, WW), I had him using the Masamune and still doing MUCH less damage than everyone else, except WW, who was healing and stat-enhancing. I mean, for crying out loud, his best weapon is... the Sun Sword? He cant equip anything special. On the other hand, The Knight has the Excalibur, the Ninja has the Sasuke/Katana, the Master can get in about 8 hits and do more damage than a Knight with the Masamune, the Black Wizard has the Cat Claw and insanely powerful magic, and the White Wizard has Thor's Hammer. The Red Wizard is simly an easy start to the game. I would suggest as a party: Fighter(Warrior), Black Belt(Monk), White Mage, and (depending on how you want the difficulty to be in the beginning and end of the game) either the Black Mage or the Red Mage. I would only be the Theif if you are looking for a challenge in the beginning. |
06-24-2004, 07:19 PM
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 | Firstly, I'm pleased that Unne rose to the black belt bait, as he sure didn't when I tried the thief approach. Meh. Secondly, since Unne is right most of the time, I'm gonna back him on this one. Well, you can have another person trying to exploit his strange weakness to BANE.-Dark_Paladin_Cecil Alright, I've read all that crap, you know, about Kary being weak against sleep and stun, and Tiamat to Bane, and both are a hoax, I'm afraid to say. By the time you get it to work, You're gonna be dead, LIT3 style. and Black Mage still has relatively little MP so I often hesitate to use his spells.-Sephiroth1999AD WRONG!!!!!! If you think the BM has little MP, have you tried playing with a Red mage, for crying out loud? I remember playing a party once that consisted of FI/RM/WM/BM. Just cause I hadn't really fooled with the Red mage all that much before, and if he sucked too badly, I had the other three that excel at what he attempts to recreate. I made it to Earth Cave before I quit that party. Ok, the most obvious point is how completely inferior he is after you get class change. Even you BM haters can't compare a blast of Nuke to his pitiful Sun Sword, which, in fact, he shouldn't be using until you get Xcalibur. Even before class change he is quite horrible. The thing I most noticed, especially at Elfland, was how expensive he is. You can try to buy him all this great stuff, Silver swords and FIR2, but he can only use one per turn. And what's more, the stats do matter, because he can barely use the sword. I remember trying to kill an ogre with it, and he did it in one hit less than 1 in 15 tries. Do you mean to say I wasted half an hour getting gold for this crap? Besides you got to understand that Red Mage is the "jack-of-all-trades, but the master of none" -DragonFire Oh, god, what a piece of wisdom. That should be on a fortune cookie. I LOVE this quote. I completely lost my train of thought... Oh yes, the MP issue also becomes more pronounced the farther you go. Black Mages increase at least one spell in one level every level up. My brother played a party similar to mine, with Black Belt instead of the White mage,(Which was crazy after level 10 or so. The fighter/BB combo is wonderful.) and when he got to the Sea Shrine, the Black Mage had 3 more LIT3's than the Red did. The Black destroyed everything while the Red healed. That was about it. And when Kraken rolled around, he didn't even use the Red's LIT3, he used fast on the Belt, and LIT3'd with the Black Mage. Three hits, one kill. The armor comes to mind. Isn't the best armor for the Red mage the Ice/Fire armor? If you actually decide to get them, which is a pain in the ass, especially the Ice, since who stays in Ice Cave longer than they absolutely must? God only knows how pleased I was when I got out. I suppose you could settle for the Silver, which you can find in a box in Dwarf Cave. Oh boy, what a risk you're taking, going into Dwarf Cave, for some armor! Man, there are no monsters in there! Whoa, free armor, how could can that be! Honestly, how many items do you find without a fight that you can't buy somewhere? And how many of them are not the best in the game, (unless, of course, you're you're using a thief, or god forbid, a Red Mage.  ).I suppose I should be boosting opinions of Black mages instead of bashing RMs. Something to think about at the end of this sermon. Why is it that Phantoms, Eyes, ManCats, Evilmen, and Warmech, all very unpleasant to face, use spells the Black Wizard can use? Huh, it's got me baffled. Really hard magical enemies, and the Black Wizard can use them... Besides you got to understand that Red Mage is the "jack-of-all-trades, but the master of none" -DragonFire This deserves a medal, or a Ciddie, or something. Dragonfire, you... are.. something very, very good. Crotchety Geezer good. |
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06-25-2004, 06:33 AM
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 | Its been awhile since I have posted here. Better catch up... Actually I prefer The Sun Sword/More Hp/ Better Defense/ The ability to cast both spell types (most spells) to 1 or 2 casts of Nuke. Actually sometimes in my party I give my Red Mage the Sun Sword and my Knight the Defense. Why? Because the Defense gives the Knight more hit% (The Defense gives 35 compared to the Sun Swords 30). If that extra 5% gives my Knight an extra hit, I give him the Defense and my Red Wiz the Sun. BTW The Sun Sword isnt that Bad. Umm the Black Mage is more expensive then the Red Mage. The Black Mage needs all those spells, Bracelets and crap like that. The Red Mage only needs the Chain Mail, Short Sword and a few spells and he is good to go. No need to buy the Silver sword right away. You will gain enough money for it after the marsh cave or later on. No actually the Red Mage/RW cannot equip the Ice or Flame armor. Their best armor is the Opal Bracelet. Yes and notice how mostly all of those spells are useless. Like XXXX, Quake, Stun,Brak. OH MY! What a great list of spells! Why I wish every class can use those! Really the only useful spell that Bw has that the Rw doesnt is Nuke. Even that isnt that great. Last edited by Black Mage FF1; 06-25-2004 at 07:24 AM. |
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06-25-2004, 07:11 AM
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| | Ok, I admit that that last enemy spell thingee was weak, but Unne left me out to dry here. Ummm... The Black Wizard can equip the Opal Bracelet, too. I suppose with the gauntlets and such, the Red Mage will absorb more, but his evade is also weakened. As for buying the bracelets in Elfland, they are a waste of money. You can find one in Marsh Cave. His evade is so high it doesn't really matter too much anyway, especially when on the back row. Besides, you can get the other bracelet in Melmond. This topic has just about been exhausted. But I must say, I've never had a game where I've said, "Man, I wish I took a Red Mage!" It's usually something along the lines of, "Man, I wish I had the White/Black Mage!" You anticipate for the lack of balance while choosing your party. I suppose you can throw in a Red Mage, but I think it really comes down to how you play and what you like. We're so biased at this site. So stubborn... |
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06-25-2004, 07:28 AM
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 | You all have your opinions and i respect everyone of them. However, opinions differ from person to person. Let me tell you how it IS. Some one said earlier that blackbelt sucked and i just want to say while your fighter is fumbling with his sword my black belt is scoring 20+ hits and its critical doing about 800-900 dmg. Next in the line up is a red mage. Not because he is better than anyone. He is there to give a little extra magic boost my my group while still taking hits so the usefull characters can work unhindered. Then there is white mage for her healing, and protective powers, and black mage just blows away everything that stands in his way. I will have to admit that black mages aren't much better than red mages. However, Black Wizards are death incarnate and they are the coolest looking. |
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06-26-2004, 08:39 PM
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 |  I used Bane against Tiamat the last time I played, and it worked.  |
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