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[Flying Mullet]

Originally Posted by Black Mage FF1

lvl 2 magic does not clean out enemies quickly. ICE1 isnt that good. Besides the Rm can get it too, same goes for FIRE2 and Fast. Bm do die pretty fast. Lets say you run into a giant and his first attack is on a Bm it could be a crit hit. The Bm is dead. If it were a Rm he would most likley live due to his higher hp and defense.

Sorry, I was referrring to their Ice/Fire/Bolt 2 and 3 spells, not the spells at level 2 and 3 in the black mages inventory.

And yeah, if an enemy gets a critical hit on a black mage, they can be goners, but a red mage won't fare so well either.

[Linus J]

The discussed characters at lvl 14
Fighter
hp 367
str. 33
agl. 18
int. 7
vit. 20
luck 13

damage 39
hit % 64
absorb 48
evade % 25

BB
hp 241
str. 11
agl. 12
int. 12
vit. 33
luck 14

damage 28
hit % 44
absorb 14
evade % 60

Fighter with what I believe to be the best equip I can have for the moment (earth cave) and BB unequiped. Using the same argument as Black Mage FF1, the BB sucks. What does the BB do better? Evade and magic defense. And dont come running around nagging about high lvl, the change isn't that big if you hold a reasonable lvl.

Comparison between a BM and RM

BM
Magic:
7 lvl1
5 lvl2
4 lvl3
4 lvl4
2 lvl5
hp 181
str. 10
agl. 18
int. 33
vit. 9
luck 18
damage 16
hit % 33
absorb 17
evade % 63

RM
lvl1-3 magic the same amount as BM
3 lvl4 and 0 lvl5
hp 255
str 18
agl. 16
int. 18
vit. 13
luck 13
damage 32
hit % 48
absorb 20 (if changing the equip a bit 17)
evade % 54 (if changing the equip to the same as above 61)

The absorb were almost the same, the difference in hp is only 70, but the BM had a higher evade. The RM is superior in physical attacks, however, the BM gets more mp and higher lvl magic quicker (and get lvl 7-8). White magic is overated (potions works too you know) and the physical damage is already pretty weak.

In my own experience, the BB started of as sucky, same with BM. The RM was a good character, but really secondary to the fighter. At lvl7 the BM started being my second favourite character of the party, after fighter, the BB got past RM at lvl 14. The fact that RM does nothing great, just alot of stuff decent, really wears it down.
But when it comes around, it's different for different people and parties.

Sorry for only comparing low lvls by the way, it's the only save I've got for the moment.

[black orb]

Originally Posted by Black Mage FF1

lvl 2 magic? What lvl 2 spell does he have that is usefull? ICE?

>>> My bad, I was thinking about Level 3 magic (fire2 and lit2), well those two magic are more useful than a BB..

[Black Mage FF1]

Originally Posted by Linus J

The discussed characters at lvl 14
Fighter
hp 367
str. 33
agl. 18
int. 7
vit. 20
luck 13

damage 39
hit % 64
absorb 48
evade % 25

BB
hp 241
str. 11
agl. 12
int. 12
vit. 33
luck 14

damage 28
hit % 44
absorb 14
evade % 60

Fighter with what I believe to be the best equip I can have for the moment (earth cave) and BB unequiped. Using the same argument as Black Mage FF1, the BB sucks. What does the BB do better? Evade and magic defense. And dont come running around nagging about high lvl, the change isn't that big if you hold a reasonable lvl.

Comparison between a BM and RM

BM
Magic:
7 lvl1
5 lvl2
4 lvl3
4 lvl4
2 lvl5
hp 181
str. 10
agl. 18
int. 33
vit. 9
luck 18
damage 16
hit % 33
absorb 17
evade % 63

RM
lvl1-3 magic the same amount as BM
3 lvl4 and 0 lvl5
hp 255
str 18
agl. 16
int. 18
vit. 13
luck 13
damage 32
hit % 48
absorb 20 (if changing the equip a bit 17)
evade % 54 (if changing the equip to the same as above 61)

The absorb were almost the same, the difference in hp is only 70, but the BM had a higher evade. The RM is superior in physical attacks, however, the BM gets more mp and higher lvl magic quicker (and get lvl 7-8). White magic is overated (potions works too you know) and the physical damage is already pretty weak.

In my own experience, the BB started of as sucky, same with BM. The RM was a good character, but really secondary to the fighter. At lvl7 the BM started being my second favourite character of the party, after fighter, the BB got past RM at lvl 14. The fact that RM does nothing great, just alot of stuff decent, really wears it down.
But when it comes around, it's different for different people and parties.

Sorry for only comparing low lvls by the way, it's the only save I've got for the moment.

Why are you comparing the BB to the Fighter? Nobody said that the BB is better than the Fighter. I am saying that just because the BB isnt as good as the Fighter DOES NOT mean he sucks. After all the thief is FAR from being as good as a fighter yet people think he is good (I do to BTW). The BB is better than the thief. In hp and power that is. As for the Bm and Rm, 70 hp is a lot, and it doenst matter how much higher the Bm evade is. It wont do anything against crit hits.

To black orb....... What about in boss fights? Like Kary and Tiamat, who both have are strong against all elemental spells. Fire2/3 wont to jack to them. The BB attack will though. Making him a usefull character. I am rushing this post BTW. I will add more later.

[black orb]

To black orb....... What about in boss fights? Like Kary and Tiamat, who both have are strong against all elemental spells. Fire2/3 wont to jack to them. The BB attack will though. Making him a usefull character. I am rushing this post BTW. I will add more later.

>>> Kary`s weakness is Sleep2 and Tiamat weakness is Bane, both black magic.

[Black Mage FF1]

Originally Posted by black orb

>>> Kary`s weakness is Sleep2 and Tiamat weakness is Bane, both black magic.

Well for one thing I said they dont have elemental weakneses. By elemental I mean Fire/Ice/Bolt. Sleep2? Whats the point of that? Why not cast FAST on the Fighter or BB or Rm? At least when you do that you can be assured that it will work. Sleep2 you cannot. You can spend the whole battle just sitting casting it and it not working. As for bane. Yeah it does work but so what? The BB can cast it too with the Bane sword. Also getting bane to work on the first encounter is easy to do but not the second one. It has like a low chance of working. BTW did you know that you can cast Fear on Kary and make her run away? It is funny to do, but kinda hard to get it to work.

[aeris2001x2]

at lv 50 the bm has almost 500 hp. even a warmech critical hit has never killed him with i hit.

bm has the fire2/fire 3 and equivelent spells. he wipes out hordes with that, and at the end flare and haste (is it nuke and fast in usa?) which makes my red knight do like 1600 a hit or sumthin and flare crushs dark knight armies of 8 etc very quickly.

bb is just a very shoddy version of the fighter. i wouldnt have got through ff 1 so well without the beloved bm.

[Linus J]

Originally Posted by Black Mage FF1

Why are you comparing the BB to the Fighter?

Basicly you're saying that the BM sucks because the RM is (according to you) better. I'm using the same argument to say that the BB suck.