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[Ouch!]

Sorry, I couldn't resist throwing in a lame joke.

1. When is double posting okay?

Double posting is acceptable in rare circumstances, most often when the life of the thread requires periodic updates, such as a writing thread or a tournament.

2. What is the signature size limit?

Maximum width of 550 pixels, maximum height of 250 pixels, including text. There is also a 50KiB file size limit.

3. When should the warn button be used and when should it not?

The warn function is used to alert staff to spam, advertising, “problematic” posts, double-posts, threads in the wrong forum… in other words, breaking rules. It should not be used unless a rule is being broken.

4. How can a banned member get unbanned?

After two years, if a member can sufficiently demonstrate that he has reformed his behavior, he may be unbanned by unanimous consent by the forum staff.

5. What is EoFF's policy on cursing?

The f-word and the s-word are automatically filtered from the board completely. Other profanity is discouraged but allowed in moderation. Posts trying to bypass the filter or excessive in profane content will be edited and the user will receive a warning.

6. Psychotic has found your old second account but thinks it belongs to crashNUMBARs. Would you, and if so how, inform him of the discrepancy? You still want to use the account in future.

Supposing I wish to use the account in the future, my only course of action is to tell Psychotic that the account is mine. The account will be automatically banned if it belongs to crashNUMBARs, but if I’m honest, and appeal to Psychotic’s sense of mischief, I at least stand a chance. It’s like Pascal’s argument in favor of god. Assuming I’m a CK already (which may or may not grant me some leeway), telling Psychotic is the only way I have any hope of retaining the account, and thus the only pragmatic course of action. Likewise, by admitting responsibility, this wouldn’t count against crash should he attempt to be unbanned in the future, which would be unfair to him.

7. crono_logical is injecting javascript into everyone's posts that makes pictures of penises and vaginas (nonos on eoff!) pop up on every thread. How do you confront him and get him banned, him being an administrator and you a lowly Cid's Knight who can't ban admin?

I suppose the first logical course of action would be to confront him directly about it. I would inform him that I know he is breaking the rules and ask him immediately to cease. As I cannot punish him, I would then have to alert another administrator of his rule breaking so that he might be properly punished.

8. rubah won't shut the smurf up. You're really tired of her spamming everywhere and you think it's giving the rest of the staff a bad, if rather active, name. How do you tell her children are better seen and not heard?

I’d likely contact her privately through either PMs, emails, or IMs, whichever turns out to be the most effective manner of communication. I would tell her that I think her actions reflect badly on the rest of the staff. I would not reprimand her in front of other members of EoFF. If rubah decides to ignore me, I’d have to seek other staff and attempt to use the power of numbers. While I could edit her posts/close her threads for spam, there’s no reason to show a lack of cohesion to the general populous of EoFF. I have enough faith that rubah is a reasonable individual and we would be able to resolve the dispute in private.

9. Hsu hasn't performed a moderative action in a year. Pick a course of either trying to drive him off staff or drive him to activity and state how you would do it. Assume that Loony BoB is on your side and no one else is.

Similarly to the situation above, I would contact Hsu privately regarding my opinions on the manner. Also like rubah, I believe Hsu to be a reasonable individual and we would be able to resolve the situation. Should Hsu admit that he no longer wishes to perform his duties as a Knight, I would alert Loony BoB (who is on my side) to this by showing a log of the conversation and then, with his influence as an administrator, proceed to convince the rest of the staff that Hsu no longer has a desire to continue to be a Knight and have him removed from staff. Ultimately, I would expect the latter to be unnecessary. I imagine Hsu would either decide to be more active or have the decency to resign himself.

10. Congratulations! You've just been made a Cid's Knight and you've decided to host a EoFF meetup at your house to celebrate. While you and your fellow EoFF buddies are partying it up, several people manage to browse a bit through the staff forum via your personal computer. What do you do?

Since this question has been posed, I suppose that means I am able to identify the individuals responsible. In this case, I would confront them about their action and politely request that they keep whatever they managed to read in the staff forum to themselves, thank you very much. If I’ve invited these people into the sanctity of my home (which is actually an rather small dorm room in which I’d watch their every move), I likely trust these individuals enough to respect such a request. If they proceed to abuse whatever knowledge they may have gathered by viewing the staff forum, there’s always the usual channels of punishment on the forum.

[Dynast-Kid]

Yep, these are my answers for the Round 2 questionaire! I hope they're not too wordy! xD

By reading my answers you'll probably notice that comraderie and teamwork are major parts of my functionality.

1. When is double posting okay?

Double posting is only acceptable in the case of a thread which entails timely updates (i.e. art thread, writing thread, etc.)

2. What is the signature size limit?

The signature size limit is a width of 550 pixels, and a height of 250 pixels. A very generous size, in my opinion!

3. When should the warn button be used and when should it not?

The warn button should be used by non-staffers in the case of a poster who is posting inappropriate things/content, and the problem has yet to have been addressed by a Cid's Knight or other staff member. It should not be used if a staff member is currently resolving or has previously addressed the issue.

4. How can a banned member get unbanned?

In almost all cases, banning is a permanent punishment. However, if after a time span of at least 2 years, the banned member in question may appeal to the forum Staff and plead his case, and if all staffers are in unanimous agreement, they're account can be unbanned.

5. What is EoFF's policy on cursing?

Eyes on Final Fantasy is filled with many mature and intelligent members, but is in essence, a family forum. Which is why the use of swear words (with the exception of the S-word & F-word, which are censored automatically), is vastly discouraged. Failure to abide by these standards may result in a post edit, alll the way up to a banning, based on severity.

6. Psychotic has found your old second account but thinks it belongs to crashNUMBARs. Would you, and if so how, inform him of the discrepancy? You still want to use the account in future.

Hmmm, well...Second accounts, in general, are strictly against EoFF policy. I would probably PM Psy, informing him of the history and nature of the second account in question. I would hope he'd understand, and leave the account be. If he still wanted to have it deleted, i'd take it up with the rest of the CKs/Staff. If they all thought the second account should be banned, i'd be a team player and let it be banned.

7. crono_logical is injecting javascript into everyone's posts that makes pictures of penises and vaginas (nonos on eoff!) pop up on every thread. How do you confront him and get him banned, him being an administrator and you a lowly Cid's Knight who can't ban admin?

What a tough question! xD

I would firstly ,more than likely, converse with my fellow Cid's Knights to gain insight into the situation. I mean, WTF, crono wouldn't do that!? I would then PM him, telling him my opinions on the situation, and reinforcing how serious of an offense this really is. I would attempt to negotiate and work out the situation in a firm, yet calm manner. Should no resolution come to fruition, i'd immediately turn the situation in the hands of the other Administrators.

8. rubah won't shut the smurf up. You're really tired of her spamming everywhere and you think it's giving the rest of the staff a bad, if rather active, name. How do you tell her children are better seen and not heard?

What a fascinating question! I've never taken Rubah to be the uber-spammer type! xD

I would, at first, make sure to keep a calm, and non-antagonizing behavior. When dealing with your associates and teammates (in this case, fellow Knights), I believe that confrontation is best when acted upon in a gentle, yet firm, manner. I would inform her exactly on my view of her recent spam, and hope that my words get through to her. If they were to no avail, I would take the issue to the rest of the Knights, and see if they felt the same way as I did. If no one else was on my side, i'd quietly explain my opinions to Rubah, and hope for the best. However, if most were on my side, I would inform Rubah of the majority's view, and convince her to ease up on the spam.

9. Hsu hasn't performed a moderative action in a year. Pick a course of either trying to drive him off staff or drive him to activity and state how you would do it. Assume that Loony BoB is on your side and no one else is.

Well! xD My first action would be to, well, remind him of his duty as a Cid's Knight: to moderate and defend the sanctity of EoFF. If that didn't work, i'd take the problem to fellow Cid's Knights, inquiring their stance on the situation. If most of us were in agreement, a formal nomination of downgrading would be in order, and taken to the Administrators, specifically to Loony BoB. With his similair stance on the issue, and with the apparent agreement of the rest of the Knights, I believe all proper actions would be made.

10. Congratulations! You've just been made a Cid's Knight and you've decided to host a EoFF meetup at your house to celebrate. While you and your fellow EoFF buddies are partying it up, several people manage to browse a bit through the staff forum via your personal computer. What do you do?

Those rascals!

I would assert myself firmly and calmly with these pesky members. Warnings and threats would be in big supply! After a little intimidation and reinforcing the notion of what they did was majorly wrong, I would dish out a punishment using a combination of personal opinion, the views of other staffers, and base it on the severity of the crime.

[Chaos Is the Key]

1. When is double posting okay? when it's your own story or art thread, or you're running an RP.
2. What is the signature size limit? 550 wide 250 high and 50 KiB file size
3. When should the warn button be used and when should it not? It should be used when a member is outright breaking the rules, ie. flaming. It should not be used to contact the CKs/Admins for any other reason.
4. How can a banned member get unbanned? Apply for reentry after a 2 year probationary period.
5. What is EoFF's policy on cursing? It is generally frowned upon and the major curse words are filtered out already, it is semi acceptable in RP and stories as long as it doesn't go over board.

6. Psychotic has found your old second account but thinks it belongs to crashNUMBARs. Would you, and if so how, inform him of the discrepancy? You still want to use the account in future. I'd PM him directly and tell him that it was mine, and ask if it would be possible to not ban it because I might have use for it in the future.

7. crono_logical is injecting javascript into everyone's posts that makes pictures of penises and vaginas (nonos on eoff!) pop up on every thread. How do you confront him and get him banned, him being an administrator and you a lowly Cid's Knight who can't ban admin? I'd try and find proof before making any outright claims to it being his doing, finding none or insufficient ones I'd confront him, and then I'd talk to other admin about it.

8. rubah won't shut the smurf up. You're really tired of her spamming everywhere and you think it's giving the rest of the staff a bad, if rather active, name. How do you tell her children are better seen and not heard? I'd say that it's not fitting of a CK to go on massive spam sprees all the time, it's almost impossible for someone to not spam unless they stop posting altogether, I'd probably ask her to at least cool her jets and give the posting a break.

9. Hsu hasn't performed a moderative action in a year. Pick a course of either trying to drive him off staff or drive him to activity and state how you would do it. Assume that Loony BoB is on your side and no one else is. I'd try to get him more active. My first course of action would be to ask him why he hasn't performed any moderatory actions in a year, if it was because he had no time, that is understandable, but if he had made lots of posts and was highly active, just not moderating, I'd remind him of his position and what it manes and represents.

10. Congratulations! You've just been made a Cid's Knight and you've decided to host a EoFF meetup at your house to celebrate. While you and your fellow EoFF buddies are partying it up, several people manage to browse a bit through the staff forum via your personal computer. What do you do?
I'd immediately change my password and make sure to log off and not be remembered by the computer whenever an EoFF member came over to prevent it from happening again, I'd apologize to the rest of the staff, and if need be ban the offending members.

[Dolentrean]

Yah yah, here they are

1. Double posting is ok in our confessions obviously, in a thread you made in the Writers Corner and it’s a story you are continuing in. If you run out of room in your first post, or and this one is just for me… it’s a setup for a decent joke.

2. Width 550 pixles : height 250 pixles and it can not be larger than 50 Kib

3. The warn button should be used when an advertisement thread is being posted, it’s a flame thread or with people trying to get around the language filter or any other instance when you think a staff member should be alerted… I mean just use your common sense people, is that so hard?

4. I think if the person waits two years and then the staff decides they should be unbanned.

5. Its alright as long as its not far to much and you don’t go around the chat filter. I mean I like showing off my vocabulary as much as the next person, but I can use restraint if I must.

6. Ummm… I probably would just let him remove it as I wouldn’t use a second account, but if I did, I would probably ask him why he likes to hurt me so, offended that he would not recognize my impeccable wit, then I would ask him if I could keep it, because I sometimes like mingling in the forum without people knowing I’m a CK.

7. First I would probably go to another admin, obviously, tell them what was going on and that as much as we all love penises and vaginas that this really isn’t the place for them.

8. I would probably just… you know… tell her to cut back on the spam and that she is setting a bad example, and if that didn’t work I would probably do something involving ninjas… I know, I am great at improving

9. Hmmm… I may use my and BoBs combined charm to lure him back to the site, probably send him some messages telling him that he needs to be more active or he may be at risk of being removed from the staff.

10. I would probably tell walk over and in a very condescending manner pat them on the head and tell them to stay off of daddys computer. And if they gave me any lip I would threaten to put broken glass in there beds.

[blackmage_nuke]

Questions:

1. When is double posting okay?

In very rare circumstances would this be okay. In the situation where the posts go
Poster A
Poster B
Poster A
And poster B deletes his post, poster A will not be accused of double posting, If poster A is responding to poster B's post then depending on the circumstances there might be a negative effect on B. Other wise editing posts is prefered to double posting.
It's also allowed in the confessional threads.
And I guess user notes too but i'll be honest im not sure about that.

2. What is the signature size limit?

550 width * 250 height pixels including text
Image file size maximum is 50Kb total

3. When should the warn button be used and when should it not?

It should be used to indicate:
Reviving month old threads, Swearing or avoiding swear filters, Ad's, double posts and threads in the wrong forum. As well as inappropriate threads or posts which are (unfriendly) insults or just plain distasteful. Also when a thread has gone far off topic.

It should not be used when people simply disagree with your opinions but are not breaking the rules.

4. How can a banned member get unbanned?

I do not know. If I become a CK I do not intend to do any unbanning. The only type of unbanning i know of is when it was a joke ban in the first place. Though i have heard of some two year parole type situation.

5. What is EoFF's policy on cursing?

If it's filtered dont avoid the filters. Otherwise use it in moderation or preferably not at all. And none of these should be aimed towards a specific person in a malicious manner

6. Psychotic has found your old second account but thinks it belongs to crashNUMBARs. Would you, and if so how, inform him of the discrepancy? You still want to use the account in future.

(Assuming im not a ck) I guess I would be upfront about it and tell him it is mine. If he deletes it so be it, I cant see a way of keeping this account without lying and saying it belongs to my brother or something who uses the same IP as me. Conversely i could give it to my brother so i technically would not be lying. Second accounts arent allowed.
If i was a ck. I'd say it was mine and politely ask him to sod off.

7. crono_logical is injecting javascript into everyone's posts that makes pictures of penises and vaginas (nonos on eoff!) pop up on every thread. How do you confront him and get him banned, him being an administrator and you a lowly Cid's Knight who can't ban admin?

OOC: Lol at the underlined section
I'd inform another admin or make an urgent thread about it in the staff forum and hope some one deals with it before we harm any more virgin eyes! In the mean time i attempt to edit out as many of the images as possible

8. rubah won't shut the smurf up. You're really tired of her spamming everywhere and you think it's giving the rest of the staff a bad, if rather active, name. How do you tell her children are better seen and not heard?

I would first ask her to politely tone it down and try to set a better example.
Then I would trick her into posting in a thread about her least favourite final fantasy character
Then i would change her avatar into said character

9. Hsu hasn't performed a moderative action in a year. Pick a course of either trying to drive him off staff or drive him to activity and state how you would do it. Assume that Loony BoB is on your side and no one else is.

Firstly i would need definite proof that he is shirking his duties. How? Using some form of second account to make a spam thread which is inevasive but still against the rules, a third acount (or have a non staff member) warn such a thread and demanding to all the other staff they do nothing about the thread. If he does not react then he is clearly shirking his duties. I would then make a thread about it in the staff forum politely asking him of his behaviour and if there is no reasonable explanation i would post convincing arguements until i got my way.

10. Congratulations! You've just been made a Cid's Knight and you've decided to host a EoFF meetup at your house to celebrate. While you and your fellow EoFF buddies are partying it up, several people manage to browse a bit through the staff forum via your personal computer. What do you do?

The notion that I would hold a party at my house is laughable. But i guess i would just tell them to get off and make them leave the party. Theres nothing legal i can do to make absolutely sure they dont tell anyone what they saw through pm's or word of mouth but i could threaten them with banning. But chances are i'd just ask them politely not to mention it, if i invited them to my party they would most likely be a nice person. I guess all i can do is keep a close eye on them. But as many Staff have said before, there is really nothing in the staff forums which would be that interesting and i choose to believe that. (But i wouldnt be surprised if it wasnt true)

Well i guess thats it. Not very funny, but I think I made enough spam during the first round.

Thanks to Loony BoB, rubah, and Miriel for the questions.

[edczxcvbnm]

Here are my answers for the round of twos...the second of rounds....pound it out or something XD

1. When is double posting okay?

It should generally only be allowed when there is a reason to double post such as updating a art threads or something. There maybe other ones but they are more obscure and fall under judgment calls

2. What is the signature size limit?

250pxl high and 550 wide and is not to exceed 50KB

3. When should the warn button be used and when should it not?

If you think someone is breaking the rules the use the warn button and give a description of what you feel they are doing wrong. Do not use it to send notes to the staff.

4. How can a banned member get unbanned?

Wait 2 years after the banning has been made 100% official and appeal to the knights for reinstatement.

5. What is EoFF's policy on cursing?

Don't go around the swear filter and try to keep it down even though there are filters. But lets face it...I know the limits of this rule better than almost anyone XD I have gone right against the limit numerous times and know when stuff is too much for a prolonged period of time ;D

6. Psychotic has found your old second account but thinks it belongs to crashNUMBARs. Would you, and if so how, inform him of the discrepancy? You still want to use the account in future.

There are no second accounts. You should explain to psy that it was your old second account and that you have not used it in forever. You forgot it existed but this should not go as a mark against crashNumbers for his possible future reinstatement.

7. crono_logical is injecting javascript into everyone's posts that makes pictures of penises and vaginas (nonos on eoff!) pop up on every thread. How do you confront him and get him banned, him being an administrator and you a lowly Cid's Knight who can't ban admin?

Talk to other admins through PMs and convince them that he needs to have his powers removed temporarily until this can be sorted out in an orderly fashion in the staff forum. You can't just make the thread in the staff forum to begin with due to a possible backlash and even more power abuse by having people demodded. It must be handled behind the scenes as much as possible till his powers are removed.

8. rubah won't shut the smurf up. You're really tired of her spamming everywhere and you think it's giving the rest of the staff a bad, if rather active, name. How do you tell her children are better seen and not heard?

I would just be blunt about it and PM her to stop spamming it up. What are you gonna do if other people start spamming too much and you tell them to stop? They are just gonna bitch and call you hypocritical and ignore you. Then when you try to silence them power abuse comes up. As a mod you have to be on better behavior than a normal member. Trust me...I did those things to mods before you came along. It happens and quite easily.

9. Hsu hasn't performed a moderative action in a year. Pick a course of either trying to drive him off staff or drive him to activity and state how you would do it. Assume that Loony BoB is on your side and no one else is.

I choose to drive him off the staff. I would make a thread in the staff forum that goes something like this.

Part of being a knight is being active. He has been inactive for so long that he should just be demodded. If he comes back and wants to be remodded then a new discussion of whether he should be remodded at said time can happen. If you want to go and prod him to come back then go ahead but you shouldn't need to be reminded to come back here just so you don't lose your staff position.

10. Congratulations! You've just been made a Cid's Knight and you've decided to host a EoFF meetup at your house to celebrate. While you and your fellow EoFF buddies are partying it up, several people manage to browse a bit through the staff forum via your personal computer. What do you do?

First off, I don't trust random people online enough to let them really stay at my place >.> I have trust issues.

But in the super unlikely event that this does happen, I would probably just log them off right away. Tell them to keep whatever they saw to themselves and inform the staff of the security breach and to keep an eye on this person so that they don't get to out of hand with potentially dangerous knowledge.

[Randgris]

I read make a thread here so here it is...

1. When is double posting okay?
Its not OK. I consider it spam. Better use the edit/delete tab instead.

2. What is the signature size limit?
Its 50kb, 250x500 in length-width respectively.

3. When should the warn button be used and when should it not?
When something offensive is posted or the persom has put too many spam posts (honestly I'm not even sure if this is right)

4. How can a banned member get unbanned?
Honestly, I don't know, for I've never been banned, or know someone that has been banned. Maybe in due time, or they made ammends to the reasons why they were banned.

5. What is EoFF's policy on cursing?
Well the last time I saw someone cursing, it was either snipped, skulled or the member cursing was banned.

6. Psychotic has found your old second account but thinks it belongs to crashNUMBARs. Would you, and if so how, inform him of the discrepancy? You still want to use the account in future.
The truth is I've made this was my second account, but I've informed Leeza about it firsthand. I did not know that second accounts were prohibited then, it was my first time joining and I did not know of the name change service then. She said she'll merge my two account. I won't use my old account anymore. I will still inform him, and apologize for the error. I'll ask him if he can merge my accounts.

7. crono_logical is injecting javascript into everyone's posts that makes pictures of penises and vaginas (nonos on eoff!) pop up on every thread. How do you confront him and get him banned, him being an administrator and you a lowly Cid's Knight who can't ban admin?
Pm him my opinions about the matter, politely. If he still refuses to stop, I may have to go to a higher authority.

8. rubah won't shut the smurf up. You're really tired of her spamming everywhere and you think it's giving the rest of the staff a bad, if rather active, name. How do you tell her children are better seen and not heard?
I won't force her to stop if she doesn't want to. I'd probably ask her, politely, to minimize spam threads.

9. Hsu hasn't performed a moderative action in a year. Pick a course of either trying to drive him off staff or drive him to activity and state how you would do it. Assume that Loony BoB is on your side and no one else is.
Well first I would want to know the reason why he hasn't been active as a moderator recently. It may be financial issues, family problems, or other emergencies that need high priority. If he justs slacks off and neglecs modding duty, I'd tell Loony BoB to call him up, and let him explain. Maybe I'd create a thread that would peek his interest (does anyone know what he's into?)

10. Congratulations! You've just been made a Cid's Knight and you've decided to host a EoFF meetup at your house to celebrate. While you and your fellow EoFF buddies are partying it up, several people manage to browse a bit through the staff forum via your personal computer. What do you do?
(I don't think this is possible, most of the members are from foreign countries and ME being in the Philippines, I view this as both an advantage and disadvantage) I would tell them that, those are confidential things and should not be messed by ordinary people. If you want to look, you can look, but I'll have to kill you later.

I did not look up the rules, I just thought of the most logical and viable answers to the questions.

[Creeping Shadow]

1.Double posting is only acceptable when an update on an important thread is needed.

2.Maximum width is 550 pixels, while the maximum height is 250 pixels

3.The warn button should be used only when a forum rule is broken and never anytime else.

4.Only when it is a temporary ban.

5.EoFF does not allow the S-word or F-word, any other profanity is discouraged.

6. I would inform him that it belonged to me through a PM and email to make sure he is aware of the fact it is mine and that I gave it to a friend of mine because he wanted to join but did not have an email address.

7.First inform an EoFF admin about the offence, afterwards confront him and tell him that I have informed said admin about what he has done.

8.Tell her to stop spamming so much because she is making the forum look bad.

9.I would try to get him back into activity by reminding him of how great the forum is and how much fun it is to be there, also that Loony BoB misses him.

10.Make sure I know who did it and confront them about it. Afterwards I would check my most recent posts and make sure they didnt post anything vulgar or inappropriate under my identity.