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Anyone really understood what was going on in CC?
i can tell i really didn't understand a single sht after i went in chronopolis... and it got even worst at the end with everything surrounding the last boss... how the hell did schala end up in this game??? oh well as you can see i'm kinda confused, probably due to me being and idiot, but anyone got a good site where they make everything clear??????????


worse* hey i'm writing like a 5 years old :D

<b>Edit by Kishi: And you're double-posting. Make use of the edit button in the future, please.</b>

What I did was on my first try through I wrote down certain things and looked at them again to figure out the story. By the end of the game I was able to understand everything after a while. Too bad I through all those papers out. What part confused you I can probaly think and unconfuse it making it easier to unerstand.

This site deals with understanding the plot:

http://home.earthlink.net/~letrimh/

It's helped me out on more than one occasion and is a good reference for things.

-- SPOILERS below about CT and CC --


Remember the scene in CT where Crono died and Schala teleported you out of the Ocean Palace? Well the scene ends before you find out what happens. In CC they tell you that after she teleported everyone away Lavos' influence created a gate that pulled Schala into it. Because she was linked to Lavos through the Mammon Machine (so she could use it to draw more power for the queen) she ended up meeting with Lavos and fused with him partially. In CC she uses her influence to affect time in 1006 which sets into motion a lot of things which eventually lead to her being rescued. That's why she's in CC.

No. No. NO!

Schala is not absorbed into Lavos. She is absorbed into a Lavos SPAWN. Lavos dies in CT. CC cannot happen if Schala merges with Lavos since Lavos DIES. It is impossible, even with time going screwy.

Actually it's quite plausible that she WAS absorbed by Lavos. The theory is lenghty, but basically it goes like this:

1999 - Crono battles Lavos; Lavos lays dying on that blue pool-like field (time distortion)

12000 - Schala pulled into Darkness of Time (time distortion)

DoT - Schala merges with Lavos' dying shell which gives it a new breath of life in order to form the Time Devourer.

This makes the assumption that Crono fought Lavos in the Darkness of Time, which seems possible since what we are shown of it in CC does resemble the blue-pool distortion of CT. Because all time periods can connect to the Darkness of Time there is no "past" or "future" - only the "present". Because of this the great difference in years no longer matters as both Lavos and Schala arrive at the same place/time.

I'm not saying this is RIGHT, but it could work. On the other hand one would have a hard time explaining where the SPAWN came from, since in the Ocean Palace she was linked to only Lavos.

There are multiple answers, but I prefer the Lavos one. =)

Actually the gamme says Fate which was in the timeline in which Lavos was destroyed got pulled back in time to the present. Lavos did this as a safeguard to save itself. Fate also was the true protecter of humans. The dragons which were the form of the Time Devourer wanted to destroy humans since the planet thought them a menace. Once Fate was dead they were able to come together since Fate and Lavos was what held them back, but the true form of the TimeDevourer couldn't be shown since it existed outside dimensions. That is why Magus couldn't find Schala since she had been part of TimeDevourer through her link with Lavos.
Terra Tower came from a dimension in one of the other endings of Chrono Trigger in which reptites ruled. That was brought by Time Devourer (dragons) to stop Lavos and Fate but the dragons lost. After Fate died the hold it had on history which it was going to control to leadup to the future in which it was created using records of Fate. Serge messed this up making the homeworld brek connection with Another World making 2 dimensions one in which Chronopolis didn't exist which is why it is in Another World. Had he died both dimensions would be complete.

yeah... that's what i can't understand... who the hell's the bad guy :mad: ??? i sure have no clue...

Serge is he kills innocent creatures throghout the game like Komodos. If its not him its Time Devourer, the Dragons, Lavos, Schala, Fate, and humans. Those are mainly the bad guys but they conflicted and were bad for different reasons.
Fate wanted to control time. Time Devourer and the dragons wanted to eliminate humans. Lavos destroyed the planet in 1999 and is half of Time Devourer. Schala is half of Time Devourer and erased everyone's memories at the end of the game. Finally humans destroyed the enviroment and without Fate to guide them at the end of the game control thier own future.

I don't know if playa was serious when he/she mentioned Serge, but it's probably closest to the right answer. Serge poses the biggest threat to the world - being able to choose future destruction or peace - and being virtually unaware of it. Though I would hesitate to say FATE. Rather than controlling time I would say she was more the guardian of it by trying to prevent a paradox which could cause massive havoc to the timeline. Lynx acted on her wishes to prevent a ruined future, so despite his ruthless nature in achieving his goals, he really seems to be a "good guy" in the end (though not in the eyes of Kid of course). Basically every enemy has a particular motive. Once you realize what it is and see things through their eyes they don't seem so bad anymore. I'm still not sure on what the Time Devourer's motives are. It seems it either wants to destroy all existence just for the heck of it, or it is trying to find a way to end its own suffering. I prefer to think it's the latter, but again it's all a matter of perspective.

1) Lynx IS FATE.
2) Lavos is the bad guy, no one else. It was Lavos who created the human race, and thus killed off the Reptites. It was Lavos who corrupted the nature of the planet; the Dragon Gods are perfectly right in wanting humanity off.
3) The Time Devourer has no control; it just WILL destroy existence, that's it. It doesn't choose to, it just will. No motive there whatsoever =P

1) I was serious about Serge being one of the vllains he just doesn't know it. As the arbiter of time his existence could change the futrure.

2) Lynx is the human embodiment of Fate and Serge's father Wazuki.

3)The Time Devourer was trying to erase existence and remake it without humans. The motive was to make humans extinct. The Time Devourer and the dragons are also the same thing. The dragons were the form of Time Devourer in that reality.

4) Lavos isn't that bad if you look at the game through his eyes. He is just a living creature that like every living thing is trying to survive. He didn't create humans he evolved them into modern humans. If he had not crashed the cavenen would have became extinct thanks to the natural selection of the Reptites.

5) The modern human wasn't caused to evolve naturally like the reptites so the planet viewed them as pests since they weren't natural. That is the reason humans destroy the enviroment to live instead of adapting. Lavos and Fate were thier protectors while the dragons and Time Devourer wanted to destroy them.

6) No side was really bad when you look throuugh thier eyes. Everybody I named earier has the potential to do something harmful which may seem good in thier eyes.

yeah... i guess i understood most of that on the first place... but i think squaresoft shouldve made it clearer...

what about Kid? in what way is she related to schala? it's been a while since i played, but if you asked me now i'd say she WAS Schala in a way... am i wrong?

btw... have you enjoyed playing this game?

i did, except the ending deceived me a little... very short, and Time Devourer is easy, and Terra Tower is just too long for its level of difficulty...

umm, maybe I am in uncharted territory but isn't there like 9 different endings to CC? I have already seen three and I am working on the other ones...

I loved that game, it was awesome :love:

1) Kid = clone of Schala, sent forward in time to save Serge's life. In the end of the game, if you free Schala, the two of them merge.

2) It's unfair to say Lynx is an embodiment of Wazuki. Wazuki was a good person; he was infected by FATE to become Lynx. Wazuki is effectively dead, but his body is still moving. Think of it liek a Zombie movie; when a person becomes a zombie, they are no longer that person, but a monster. That's exactly like what happens to Wazuki.

3) The Time Devourer is far too small to be Lavos. It is a Lavos Spawn; the same as the ones you meet on Death Peak and the one that is warped into the Black Omen the second time through. Lavos Spawns are made from Lavos as is explained in the game; it mixes its own DNA with that of life on the existing planet to form new young. In this case; the life it has is Schala. Every single Lavos Spawn you fight in the game is a possible Time Devourer, except they're all killed. However, it is extremely plausible that another Lavos Spawn had been created in the future and wasn't killed by Crono and co. Or even better, that one was still being bred inside of Lavos when it was defeated. By creating the paradox, the possible future was thrown into the Tesseract, upon which the Lavos died. This left Schala and the Lavos Spawn inside the Tesseract. The Lavos Spawn merges with Schala and forms the Time Devourer.

I'll admit, I do need to get a far better grip on the plot of Chrono Cross, and dig out the ending animations for the PSX CT, but I'm pretty sure I'm right on this one...

1) You're right.

2) The game says Lnyx is an embodiment of Wazuki. We don't even no anything about him you're assuming he is a good person. No bad guy in the game was really bad from thier point of view. Lynx was in his and Fate's eyes helping the world. Once again the game says nothing about Wazuki so do we know if he was a "good" person as you say.

3) Time Devcourer is partly Lavos that is so clear.

Actually, no it isn't. Look at this simple mathematical equation:

Lavos = Dead
Time Devourer = Alive
Time Devourer != Lavos

That's pretty damn simple really. Look at it this way; the Time Devourer still has its beak. Lavos wouldn't have one since it got destroyed. Therefore, Lavos cannot be the Time Devourer.

In the end of the game, if you free Schala, the two of them merge.


Except for this is an opinion. Personally I don't believe that happened. Nor do I believe the spawn bit, but that's a different matter...

You come up with a single good REASON and I'll consider it. Just saying "Ooh no, that wasn't how I saw it so it can't possibly be that way!" doesn't mean squat to me.

Well, I might not be that up to speed on the timeline of CC and it's been quite a while since I've played the game but here I go anyways.....

I believe that the Time Devourer is a Lavos Spawn that is linked with Schala. I mean, if you just look at the thing, you can tell it's not Lavos. Dude, Lavos' exterior must have been like 20-25 feet tall! If I'm not mistaken, the TD in CC wasn't that big. There must be a few other reasons, but I haven't played CC in ages and it looks like my copy has been jacked from me. Dammit. Now, I have to go out and kick the crap outta someone and then buy a new copy of CC. Great. Just friggin' great.

:magus:

Originally posted by CombatReady
Well, I might not be that up to speed on the timeline of CC and it's been quite a while since I've played the game but here I go anyways.....

I believe that the Time Devourer is a Lavos Spawn that is linked with Schala. I mean, if you just look at the thing, you can tell it's not Lavos. Dude, Lavos' exterior must have been like 20-25 feet tall! If I'm not mistaken, the TD in CC wasn't that big. There must be a few other reasons, but I haven't played CC in ages and it looks like my copy has been jacked from me. Dammit. Now, I have to go out and kick the crap outta someone and then buy a new copy of CC. Great. Just friggin' great.

:magus:

That doesn't really prove anythign because the time devourer didn't look anything like Lavos or the Lavos spawns and is still even smaller than the Lavos Spawns.

I think it is the original Lavos and I will explain later why...after I play through both games again which shouldn't take me more than a week at most. I just want to be 100% sure before I say what I am going to say.

What happened to edczxcvbnm?

Ed......some people actualy thought you were comming back.......


It would be nice to hear what you think.

Does anyone think he'll ever come back.

Look, it's fairly clear he isn't. There's no need to spam up the thread if he ain't; I'll leave it open in the offchance he does show up, but otherwise, don't post without actually contributing =P