Rebellion!

We have enough of these, and I feel like being mean to you today.

Why thank you for thrusting another capitalist regime my way.

:p Just how does the current administration on this forum have parallels with negative communism, dictatorship and capitalism?

And how might we passively stimulate change in the way various rules are applied?

I think that most of the current rules are great, but sometimes I believe they can be abused. By saying this, this thread might be closed itself, but that would merely be proving my point. CENSORSHIP.

I don't think that any of the actual methods of how the forum stimulates OUR own creativity should be changed, in any way, or opposed through aggression.

But my idea is that - each time a CK and Admin makes an unjust choice - WARN them, through the warn button below the post.

Now watch this be censored.

Meh, I agree with most choices of the mods... most. I think that your thread deserved to be closed, mainly because Yams declared those types of threads Illegal while you where gone, and what Yams says, GOEs. The only things I don't agree with are minor things, like changing thread titles they don't like, or stopping name changes, but I agree with Shlup on your name Change, it was quite ridiculous :holmes:

Meh, I agree with most choices of the mods... most. I think that your thread deserved to be closed, mainly because Yams declared those types of threads Illegal while you where gone, and what Yams says, GOEs. The only things I don't agree with are minor things, like changing thread titles they don't like, or stopping name changes, but I agree with Shlup on your name Change, it was quite ridiculous :holmes:

Oh no - joining rebellions might soil the goody-goody image of some. :eep:

I've already soiled mine - probably permanently now! :D

but really I just wanted some of the bizarre editing choices - as you mentioned - to be lessened. Sure, maybe the thread needed to be closed. Fine, cool with that. It was a merely an example of the MENTALITY behind the edit that bothered me.

EDITGA!
CLICK ME! Watch Slup spam up my dead thread with "Yam", then this get closed! (http://forums.eyesonff.com/general-chat/110399-spirit-slightly-more-spammy-gc.html)

What do you expect? This isn't a democracy after all. We only get that privilege during the Ciddies, or so we think.

What do you expect? This isn't a democracy after all. We only get that privilege during the Ciddies, or so we think.

Notice how only the staff win usually?

Some of it's popularity, sure, but it can't all be that.

*waits for more conspiracy theories*

:shifty:

Some All of it's popularity, sure, but it can't can all be that.

Pretty much.

Some All of it's popularity, sure, but it can't can all be that.

Pretty much.

Probably Award Guy Bob taking bribes! :eek:

Viva la Revolucion!

You don't get freedom in a privately owned and run organization.

Viva la Revolucion!

I think I'll keep mine in English, thanks. yay multicultural spelling!

You don't get freedom in a privately owned and run organization.

You haven't been one to let that stop you before, Roto!

Honestly, things have been run pretty fairly for the last few years. You noobs haven't seen crap.

Honestly, things have been run pretty fairly for the last few years. You noobs haven't seen crap.

Name one thing that was worse in the "good old days" please, and then I might concede that you have an argument. If you're just going to say that, I won't.

The member named PeTeRl_90 I believe was banned because he posted an image of a female hugging a giant snow penis. anyways Apperently he miss-clicked and hit the wrong picture and had not meant to post that picture. Who knows. He was banned for violating the porn policy. But, another member had only received a warning for porpusly posting and image of a man with his penis inserted in a cars tail pipe while wearing a tutu.

The member named PeTeRl_90 I believe was banned because he posted an image of a female hugging a giant snow penis. anyways Apperently he miss-clicked and hit the wrong picture and had not meant to post that picture. Who knows. He was banned for violating the porn policy. But, another member had only received a warning for porpusly posting and image of a man with his penis inserted in a cars tail pipe while wearing a tutu.

I was there. ;) It was sort of like that Mr. Clean guy who won the Ciddie, then was banned, or lovehurts, anyone?

I've been here for quite some time you know, I just took a hiatus and returned to find things had, in my opinion, worsened.

I think you've made the mistake of taking Shlup a bit too seriously. You don't really think we're all that horrible, do you?

I think you've made the mistake of taking Shlup a bit too seriously. You don't really think we're all that horrible, do you?

No. I think that some of you are overzealous with your authority, popularity and power, but I won't name any more names. :p

Also, even if Shlup is joking around, I don't take abuse of power or insults lightly even then. :rolleyes2

I really couldn't say either way what side you fall on - the overzealous or the more or less good moderators - because I haven't read many of your posts. If I do I'll get back to you on that, but I have no qualms about the above comment.

Speaking your mind is one thing, and it's something I stand up for. But not when that rule is exaggerated excessively.

Alas, you will never win this one but you are right. I have seen admins etc close threads or edit peoples posts because they failed to understand someones argument or had a sense of humour failure. Ive seen admins break their own rules and apply their powers inconsistently.

However we have no rights at all and they can do what they like. So in answer to your original post, i'd say the current regime has most in common with fascist totalitarianism.

Everything is perfect here

Bert what did you do to get yourself banned? If it was Peter who posted the ice pen0r, then my memories are completely fictional :D

They wouldn't let me change my name to Shneebz :(

Down with the administration!

I remember when I rebelled...ahh the good ol' days.

In all seriousness though I do find that at times gross miscarriage's of justice happen and all we can do is watch and possibly give our opinion which (more often than not) is discarded.

Just look at those members which should have been banned long ago but through Admin/CK affection have stayed, when some other person has done half as bad/many things only to get permabanned.

If any of you want to join the rebellion, please PM me and suggest a rule change.

I for one agree with McLovin' - either name changes should be the user's choice to make themselves in their profile, or at least be acted upon immediately when asked of the administration.

I will recommend this to those who have already PM'ed me, and eventually our agreed proposi<b></b>tions will be added to the Feedback Forum and newfound feedback form!

I demand that a Rule be made allowing me to say I'm scratching myself in any thread I choose and not get in trouble for spamming.

But meh, I've seen a few rebellions in my day. Really if you have aproblem, just talk honestly with the Staff member your problem is with, and you're likely to clear up any problems. If not, just talk to BoB. IF you says you're wrong, you must be Wrong. Problem solved.

This is amusing. :D Keep it up.

I'm not sure if this thread belongs in Feedback or EoEO, but I'll leave it here for now. Either way, the only thing I don't like in this thread is where the Ciddies are called a popularity contest. Only half! Otherwise the most popular member would win everything. Also, staff have been winning far less often than they used to.

Otherwise yes, I think we have a lot of ego, but it's better that the staff is confident in themselves than the opposite. Imagine a bunch of staff that didn't know whether what they were doing was right or wrong at any time? It would be terrible. Staff need to be pretty sure of themselves.

We do make mistakes, of course. It's probably also worth noting that while we - more often than not, anyway - put on a united front based on what we agree within the staff forum, some of the massive debates that go on within the staff forum show just how many perspectives are represented on behalf of the membership. It's pretty effective, too, I like to think!

EDIT: On a sidenote, in the other forums I go to, username changes are either extremely rare or not allowed at all.

I take it then you are discussing my suggested rule?

Some users can't get a name change anymore at all.

I got a name change...in fact I think it was Loony BoB who did it for me. Thing is I do see why admin's should be the one's to change the usernames, afterall this stops fickle people changing it every five seconds plus makes it easier to catch inappropriate names before they have been done.

We have enough of these, and I feel like being mean to you today.

Why thank you for thrusting another capitalist regime my way.

:p Just how does the current administration on this forum have parallels with negative communism, dictatorship and capitalism?

And how might we passively stimulate change in the way various rules are applied?

I think that most of the current rules are great, but sometimes I believe they can be abused. By saying this, this thread might be closed itself, but that would merely be proving my point. CENSORSHIP.

I don't think that any of the actual methods of how the forum stimulates OUR own creativity should be changed, in any way, or opposed through aggression.

But my idea is that - each time a CK and Admin makes an unjust choice - WARN them, through the warn button below the post.

Now watch this be censored.

1. forums are not a democratic institution of a state.
2. forums do not have an economy to be capitalist or communist.

right. the only thing i dont like about this forum are these stupid "WHAT IS YOUR FAVOURITE [sommat]". Theres about 5 of them for every real topic, no one gives a flying fuck what your favourite final fantasy character is.

If staff win ciddies it's because they do more than just moderate; they participate in the forums. I know I didn't win any last time :D

I think it's done pretty well, actually. I've not seen anything that suggests that giving a contrary opinion is going to get you locked down or put you on a "banned when you smurf up even a little" list. I've seen fora that do so (StarDestroyer.Net: Dedicated to the mighty Imperial Star Destroyer, and all things Star Wars! (http://www.stardestroyer.net) is one. If you like Trek (it's a versus site) you're nothing). Compared to that, this one is sweet. The only thing I'd change (more as a policy to prevent abuse than an actual correction) is to make it against the rules to close a thread unless it violates site policy in some way. And I'd personally be more inclined to delete spam posts on a thread than lock the thread.

Once you get organized I'll be waiting for your list of demands. Keep in mind I don't negotiate with terrorists.

VTG isn't a terrorist he's a protestor against a facist ragime!

EDIT: LMAO :D

Theres only one way to deal with rebels.

We have enough of these, and I feel like being mean to you today.

Why thank you for thrusting another capitalist regime my way.

:p Just how does the current administration on this forum have parallels with negative communism, dictatorship and capitalism?

And how might we passively stimulate change in the way various rules are applied?

I think that most of the current rules are great, but sometimes I believe they can be abused. By saying this, this thread might be closed itself, but that would merely be proving my point. CENSORSHIP.

I don't think that any of the actual methods of how the forum stimulates OUR own creativity should be changed, in any way, or opposed through aggression.

But my idea is that - each time a CK and Admin makes an unjust choice - WARN them, through the warn button below the post.

Now watch this be censored.

1. forums are not a democratic institution of a state.
2. forums do not have an economy to be capitalist or communist.

right. the only thing i dont like about this forum are these stupid "WHAT IS YOUR FAVOURITE [sommat]". Theres about 5 of them for every real topic, no one gives a flying smurf what your favourite final fantasy character is.

Arguably the economy would be the profit made from ads on this site and possibly the front site as well. We're making them money through our daily activities on the site. I'm not saying we deserve a share of that, since our payment with this wonderful forum is enough, and I realize bandwidth costs are high.

Still, those costs wouldn't be so high unless there were many people constantly viewing this forum, and therefore this also raises ad revenue if everyone is kind enough to click on an ad now and then.

I do think that it gives us some right to suggestions as to how this forum will be made an even better enviroment, which not only helps us, the members, but may increase traffic and therefore improve the economy.

If people find the rules and their current abuse less threatening, even more will flock here.

Finally, I do realize that this isn't a democracy and that there are many, many forums with a lot worse administration than this. This forum has one of the best administrations I've ever seen; but there is still room for improvement. There always is.

Once you get organized I'll be waiting for your list of demands. Keep in mind I don't negotiate with terrorists.

I will not take that seriously, since you should already know by now that our plans involve no violence or aggression of any kind, and do not involve bannable offenses.

I wasn't saying you were planning violence. Just a warning if things get out of hand.

That's fine hero. I don't intend to let this to get out of hand - all Rebellion members know before hand that our plans do not involve flaming or any other bannable offense.

Also...

This is amusing. :D Keep it up.

I'm not sure if this thread belongs in Feedback or EoEO, but I'll leave it here for now. Either way, the only thing I don't like in this thread is where the Ciddies are called a popularity contest. Only half! Otherwise the most popular member would win everything. Also, staff have been winning far less often than they used to.

Otherwise yes, I think we have a lot of ego, but it's better that the staff is confident in themselves than the opposite. Imagine a bunch of staff that didn't know whether what they were doing was right or wrong at any time? It would be terrible. Staff need to be pretty sure of themselves.

We do make mistakes, of course. It's probably also worth noting that while we - more often than not, anyway - put on a united front based on what we agree within the staff forum, some of the massive debates that go on within the staff forum show just how many perspectives are represented on behalf of the membership. It's pretty effective, too, I like to think!

EDIT: On a sidenote, in the other forums I go to, username changes are either extremely rare or not allowed at all.

I was hoping you would find this amusing enough to let it continue, and leave it in EoEo. The reason I put it in here was A. I wanted members opinions on it (it's private in Feedback so that this can't occur) and B. I thought it would be good debating fodder for the more intelligent members who like to post here on controversial issues.

As for confidence issues, I think that self-confidence and excessive ego are too very different things. It seems that some of the staff members are getting a bit carried away in that department. As far as I'm concerned, you haven't gotten carried away, but I won't name names.

And as for the Ciddies popularity issue, since I don't know what goes on behind the scenes with the staff I can't comment on that any more than I have.

Personally I'll stick with an old quote from ShlupQuack:

You don't like it then go suck on a goat!

Honestly who cares, the only time threads like this are entertaining is when their made in GC or Feedback so we can spam them, get into joking arguments with the staff and have Yams pretend hes going to close the thread 50 times.

Personally I'll stick with an old quote from ShlupQuack:

You don't like it then go suck on a goat!

Honestly who cares, the only time threads like this are entertaining is when their made in GC or Feedback so we can spam them, get into joking arguments with the staff and have Yams pretend hes going to close the thread 50 times.

I've already made a humorous thread about this in GC, and besides, this one wasn't intended to amuse anyone, except maybe the staff so they won't close it. :p

Besides, people voice concern about certain rules on a regular basis here in all sorts of places, so I do think quite a few people care about this issue. Whether they actually want to do something about is is another issue - most will be concerned of ruining their "good relations with the staff" or be too lazy.

I'm neither, and that's why I'm here saying others can do the same with me if they're willing.

There is a feedback forum, and a private feedback forum. Posting this thread in the feedback forum would allow for ALL members to see it and post in it. Posting it in the private feedback forum would allow for only the Staff and for the thread creator to see it.

I have to say, a lot of the things you're posting are rather baseless and lacking information. If you don't know how the Ciddies are run (it's actually made pretty clear every single time Award Guy brings it up), then you can simply ask for look through the old Ciddies threads. Only one person ever has access to the votes and that's Award Guy whoever Award Guy may be.

You're constantly making statements like, "watch this be censored" or that you'd be banned for calling Shlup an ass. Have you been banned yet? Has this thread been censored?

Plenty of people bring up complaints in the feedback forums, or to specific staff members via PMs without resorting to calling them dictators and whatnot. You talk about getting offended by Shlup (who btw, calls EVERYONE and ass and really, she's not being serious and I think pretty much everyone gets that) and yet you think it's cool to accuse Staff members of wanting to sell personal information of it's members. You don't think that's not a little bit unfair, unreasonable, and without any evidence? I don't think anyone likes to be accused of something so sinister as that, especially when they're trying to do something nice, exciting and FREE for the community.

People will take you more seriously if you did your research on things before making such huge sweeping statements about the condition of EoFF and its Staff. Personally, I think you should chill. Staff members play jokes, they change some titles here and there for kicks, sometimes they post in closed topics. Alright. It's not meant to offend anyone, and I think most people don't get offended. Just like most staff members don't get offended by oppositional threads like this. No one's gonna censor you for making a thread like this, because to most of us, it's no big deal. We're not gonna make a huff about it, the way you're making a huff about a little fooling around here or there.

Edit: Also want to add that I really do think this should be in feedback since some of the replies seem to be of the joking variety. That's fine for Feedback not so much for EOEO. Remember, EoEO is SERIOUS!BUSINESS.

There is a feedback forum, and a private feedback forum. Posting this thread in the feedback forum would allow for ALL members to see it and post in it. Posting it in the private feedback forum would allow for only the Staff and for the thread creator to see it.

Our actual feedback thread will involve all who join this movement, since it's more likely to bring change about if a large group of people all agree on what's posted and do it together.

I have to say, a lot of the things you're posting are rather baseless and lacking information. If you don't know how the Ciddies are run (it's actually made pretty clear every single time Award Guy brings it up), then you can simply ask for look through the old Ciddies threads. Only one person ever has access to the votes and that's Award Guy whoever Award Guy may be.

I've read those posts in their entirety, but I don't necessarily read everything and trust it. After all, if you're so picky about evidence, why don't you give some evidence other than the documentation most have already read, myself included, that proves to me that isn't rigged. After all, polls are rigged regularly with 9999 votes in one option.

All I'm saying is, a lot of the time staff seem to win, and I don't think it can all be popularity. As i said to Bob, I can't comment on this any further because I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, and you haven't tried to convince me, other than pretend as if I'm not competent enough to read the current documentation.

You're constantly making statements like, "watch this be censored" or that you'd be banned for calling Shlup an ass. Have you been banned yet? Has this thread been censored?


No, but arguably the only reason it hasn't is because I have stated repeatedly it would only prove my point. Others who have spoken out against the administration tend to get their posts edited, threads closed, and then banned.

Part of that is their aggression, and I don't plan to be aggressive. Still, it's interesting that now that I've spoken out against you

*My comment on Shlup was edited without my consent*
*Now most of you, except for Psy, Levian and Bob are now disagreeing with me at every turn*
*And my "wry commentary" on these issues was bashed by 90% of the staff, including you*

Previously I had only incurred mild contempt, which seems to be the standard here anyway, even for one such as me with a clean track record.

Plenty of people bring up complaints in the feedback forums, or to specific staff members via PMs without resorting to calling them dictators and whatnot. You talk about getting offended by Shlup (who btw, calls EVERYONE and ass and really, she's not being serious and I think pretty much everyone gets that) and yet you think it's cool to accuse Staff members of wanting to sell personal information of it's members.

Once again, I'm being treated as if I'm a child rather than 17. I don't think this is cool, I think it's funny at times to see your reactions that generally prove my statements. I have laughed about this a bit, but I'm also for stimulating change, and I want to see what the staff and my fellow members have to say about it.

You don't think that's not a little bit unfair, unreasonable, and without any evidence? I don't think anyone likes to be accused of something so sinister as that, especially when they're trying to do something nice, exciting and FREE for the community.

Granted, I have been firm in what I've said, but it's not surprising that you find it unfair, especially since most silently fume instead of openly complaining. I think that you find this difficult to accept when most simply talk among themselves, and that you're taking this too seriously, even though apparently I was taking Shlup too seriously. Bob isn't taking this as seriously as you are.

People will take you more seriously if you did your research on things before making such huge sweeping statements about the condition of EoFF and its Staff.

I think that the time for research has passed, because most people have already made their own research by viewing the staff's actions on a daily basis as I have, and have come to their own conclusions. I have already gathered at least 5 rule change proposi<b></b>tions by posting these two threads and through Private Messaging.

You wanna know how I believe that the Ciddies aren't rigged? Because I trust BoB, and I trust Levia. Because they're good people who wouldn't do that.

Your posts haven't been edited and you haven't been banned, because there's no reason to edit or ban you.

You seriously seem to think that people are out to get you. But I think most of the EoFF population are good people and that includes the Staff.

You seem to think otherwise, and that's your deal. Maybe it's just me, but going around assuming that the people on this forum are the kind of people who would rig contests, ban people based on personal vendetta, sell personal information... well that really doesn't seem like a positive outlook on things at all. And that can't be any fun.

Also, calling something unfunny is not bashing. And disagree with you at every turn? We're not following you around just to disagree with you. My goodness. You escalate things. You're free to carry on like you are, but you gotta deal with the fact that people are gonna disagree with you and it doesn't make that other person a dictator or whatever.

As far as I'm concerned, flaming someone over a personal name change and comments in several threads is considered bashing, whether or not that person is part of the staff, and if I had done that as much as Shlup has, even if she's joking, I would be banned right now.

People who flame a lot have been banned for less.

Actually it is true that if VTG had done things to an extent that forum favorites/staff have done like Phychotic or Raistlin have done before now then he would be warned/banned by now.

Actually it is true that if VTG had done things to an extent that forum favorites/staff have done like Phychotic or Raistlin have done before now then he would be warned/banned by now.

The difference between the two is that Psy mostly breaks rules to either make a joke (and unlike Shlup they're polite) or actually be on the side of the members rather than the staff.

Raistlin seems to think that by insulting people he will become popular for his "pwn'ing" skills.

Actually it is true that if VTG had done things to an extent that forum favorites/staff have done like Phychotic or Raistlin have done before now then he would be warned/banned by now.What? I have been warned for breaking rules, actually, and Raistlin has been EoEO banned on several occasions.

You're bringing up issues you have with specific Staff members, calling them out by name, so as far as I can tell, this is definitely something that belongs in feedback.

You're bringing up issues you have with specific Staff members, calling them out by name, so as far as I can tell, this is definitely something that belongs in feedback.

Actually, I was replying to your comments and the other posters.

As far as I can tell, you did this because you were frustrated with my arguments with you. :p

Actually it is true that if VTG had done things to an extent that forum favorites/staff have done like Phychotic or Raistlin have done before now then he would be warned/banned by now.What? I have been warned for breaking rules, actually, and Raistlin has been EoEO banned on several occasions.

Only EOEO banned? If any of us "lesser" members were even half as rude half as often we would probably be permabanned from the WHOLE forum! As for you Phychotic...how many times since your CKing have you been reprimanded? And what form does this reprimand take? I'm just curious that's all...

I've read those posts in their entirety, but I don't necessarily read everything and trust it. After all, if you're so picky about evidence, why don't you give some evidence other than the documentation most have already read, myself included, that proves to me that isn't rigged. After all, polls are rigged regularly with 9999 votes in one option.

All I'm saying is, a lot of the time staff seem to win, and I don't think it can all be popularity. As i said to Bob, I can't comment on this any further because I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, and you haven't tried to convince me, other than pretend as if I'm not competent enough to read the current documentation.

There's an obvious difference between a poll in some random thread in general chat and a month-long event that hundreds of members of the forum participate in. Why would the forum staff want to rig it? They're already established members of the site; do you think they need to stroke their egos by lying about who voted for who just to get an "award"?

They're usually popular before they are on staff and become even better known after the fact, so of course they're going to win a few. They're the most visible members of the site. And still, it's not like they sweep them (Christmas has won what, like 20 in the past year?).

I think you're blowing a lot of hot air over very little of substance to complain about, which is why you've been given more grief than some other people who bring about complaints or suggestions for improvements. Still, no one has said anything above what one member can say to another in jest, that I've seen. Certainly nothing close to flaming.

Only EOEO banned? If any of us "lesser" members were even half as rude half as often we would probably be permabanned from the WHOLE forum!Nah, you'd be EoEO banned too. To be honest, I think Raistlin was much less rude after his 6 month EoEO ban, and isn't a problem anymore.

As for you Phychotic...how many times since your CKing have you been reprimanded? And what form does this reprimand take? I'm just curious that's all...None. That's because I became more responsible since my warnings and stopped breaking the rules to a level which required moderator attention. These days, sure, I spam a little every now and then, but other people who spam a little now and then don't get warned or banned either.

You're bringing up issues you have with specific Staff members, calling them out by name, so as far as I can tell, this is definitely something that belongs in feedback.

Actually, I was replying to your comments and the other posters.

As far as I can tell, you did this because you were frustrated with my arguments with you. :p

How does moving this thread into a forum specifically for the discussion of staff, policy, and general forum issues = frustration?

It is the most appropriate forum for your thread. The only difference between having it posted here, and having it posted in EoEO is that this forum is SPECIFICALLY for threads like this. It's where it belongs.

Again, there you go thinking that people are out to get you. >_>

Only EOEO banned? If any of us "lesser" members were even half as rude half as often we would probably be permabanned from the WHOLE forum!Nah, you'd be EoEO banned too. To be honest, I think Raistlin was much less rude after his 6 month EoEO ban, and isn't a problem anymore.

As for you Phychotic...how many times since your CKing have you been reprimanded? And what form does this reprimand take? I'm just curious that's all...None. That's because I became more responsible since my warnings and stopped breaking the rules to a level which required moderator attention. These days, sure, I spam a little every now and then, but other people who spam a little now and then don't get warned or banned either.

It also make's me wonder how did you make CKship? Do you need a clean record? Or is it just a pure popularity ratrace?

Plus I mean doe's anyone REALLY care about being EOEO banned? Until but 4 days ago I made very few if any post's in that forum...so if i was to get EOEO banned tomorrow I probably wouldn't notice for days maybe weeks or even months after the ban came into effect. Don't you think it would be more of a deterrent to ban them from a forum they are particularly active in? Or maybe the forum in which the offence takes place?

The people who tend to get banned from EoEO are the people who are very active in that forum. So, yes you're right, it is a deterrent to those people who get banned from that forum because they do tend to visit that forum quite a bit.

Psychotic became a CK because he's really really really good at it. Y'all have no idea. He's like freakin' Sherlock Holmes.

I was wondering why I hadn't seen this thread before and now I know why. :D EoEO

and I can promise you that I didn't rig the ciddies. ;) If that's worth anything.

It also make's me wonder how did you make CKship? Do you need a clean record? Or is it just a pure popularity ratrace?Nah, you don't need a clean record. And if you think it's just a popularity contest, then I'd like to hear your explanation as to how virtual unknowns like Behold the Void, kikimm and Zeromus_X got knighted.Plus I mean doe's anyone REALLY care about being EOEO banned? Until but 4 days ago I made very few if any post's in that forum...so if i was to get EOEO banned tomorrow I probably wouldn't notice for days maybe weeks or even months after the ban came into effect. Don't you think it would be more of a deterrent to ban them from a forum they are particularly active in? Or maybe the forum in which the offence takes place?EoEO is a special forum with its own special rules to spam and flaming, and that's why it has its own unqiue ban. I don't think we can really make up bans suited to what would prevent the individual poster from breaking the rules, to be honest, it would be too subjective. The EoEO ban stops them from causing offence to other EoEO users, and I think what they care about should be more important than what the one rule breaker cares about.

The people who tend to get banned from EoEO are the people who are very active in that forum. So, yes you're right, it is a deterrent to those people who get banned from that forum because they do tend to visit that forum quite a bit.

Psychotic became a CK because he's really really really good at it. Y'all have no idea. He's like freakin' Sherlock Holmes.


Note "tend" being the operative word here...shouldn't they ALWAYS be banned from either thier most active forum or the place where the offence takes place? I mean "tendancy" isn't enough that's not even giving us a ball park or percentage to work from here...I mean a tendancy could be anything above 50%.

It also make's me wonder how did you make CKship? Do you need a clean record? Or is it just a pure popularity ratrace?Nah, you don't need a clean record. And if you think it's just a popularity contest, then I'd like to hear your explanation as to how virtual unknowns like Behold the Void, kikimm and Zeromus_X got knighted.Plus I mean doe's anyone REALLY care about being EOEO banned? Until but 4 days ago I made very few if any post's in that forum...so if i was to get EOEO banned tomorrow I probably wouldn't notice for days maybe weeks or even months after the ban came into effect. Don't you think it would be more of a deterrent to ban them from a forum they are particularly active in? Or maybe the forum in which the offence takes place?EoEO is a special forum with its own special rules to spam and flaming, and that's why it has its own unqiue ban. I don't think we can really make up bans suited to what would prevent the individual poster from breaking the rules, to be honest, it would be too subjective. The EoEO ban stops them from causing offence to other EoEO users, and I think what they care about should be more important than what the one rule breaker cares about.

But the thing is a ban or a punishment should fit the crime otherwise it really isn't a punishment at all. That's like saying you can't go to the funfair this year unless you clean up your room, when you never go or wanted to go anyway, you simply wouldn't care and you would just carry on doing as you were. A punishment is only a punishment if it hurts or causes inconvienience.

Plus FYI I knew of/repected these member's before they they became CK's all because they weren't the Ozzie Osbourne of this board like you were doesn't mean they weren't very popular too.

I'm considering joining you in your movement. Would having someone on the inside help any?

Plus FYI I knew of/repected these member's before they they became CK's all because they weren't the Ozzie Osbourne of this board like you were doesn't mean they weren't very popular too.Seeing as how two of them were made CKs before you even joined, allow me to express my doubts about that. But either way, you're saying we're knighting people you know and respect...where's the problem with that, exactly?

Because he respects chaos!

I really have no idea what any of you are complaining about. Seriously. Give me something to work with, here. Shlup edited something and wouldn't change your name? Is that seriously what the big deal is? Are you really trying to equate that with massively unjust abuses of power?

I think you need to get real.

I will note that the reason we have EoEO bans is because EoEO has different rules than the rest of the forums. It's fully possible for a member to follow the rules in every other forum and, with the same posting style, get banned from EoEO. It's a more strict forum. That's why we have the bans. In case you were wondering.

The Ciddies have never been rigged. If they were, I would have won more often. We often Knight people who are popular and that is why they win a lot of awards. We Knight people who are popular because we don't want to Knight people who are unpopular, because that wouldn't be very good for our image!

We often Knight people who are popular and that is why they win a lot of awards. We Knight people who are popular because we don't want to Knight people who are unpopular, because that wouldn't be very good for our image!

I see some contradiction! :jokey:

What do you mean? :(

It also make's me wonder how did you make CKship? Do you need a clean record? Or is it just a pure popularity ratrace?Nah, you don't need a clean record. And if you think it's just a popularity contest, then I'd like to hear your explanation as to how virtual unknowns like Behold the Void, kikimm and Zeromus_X got knighted.

Z_X is cool BTW.

I'd disregard anything BoB says, in fact just ignore everyone in this thread, it's easier ^o^

Plus FYI I knew of/repected these member's before they they became CK's all because they weren't the Ozzie Osbourne of this board like you were doesn't mean they weren't very popular too.Seeing as how two of them were made CKs before you even joined, allow me to express my doubts about that. But either way, you're saying we're knighting people you know and respect...where's the problem with that, exactly?

You do relise I used to read these forums long before I actually became a member don't you?

We Knight people who are popular because we don't want to Knight people who are unpopular, because that wouldn't be very good for our image!

Haha! So your telling me you would rather have someone who is popular and "good for your image" than someone who could no doubt do the job much more effectively? And there was Psychotic denying the CKship is a popularity ratrace.

Rebellion Schmellion, I'm fine with the way things are being run.

Haha! So your telling me you would rather have someone who is popular and "good for your image" than someone who could no doubt do the job much more effectively? And there was Psychotic denying the CKship is a popularity ratrace.

Oh my goooooooooooooooood. He's JOKING.

I wasn't, actually. I meant 'unpopular' not as 'unknown' but 'anti-popular', if you like. As in, people don't like that person. If you are going to Knight someone, you don't Knight the person that nobody likes. That's just silly. Although I suppose there is Shlup.

Everyone loves Shlup. They just don't know it.

Haha! So your telling me you would rather have someone who is popular and "good for your image" than someone who could no doubt do the job much more effectively? And there was Psychotic denying the CKship is a popularity ratrace.So all along we've had you accusing the staff of judging whether someone is worthy of becoming a CK based solely on popularity, when all along you've been doing exactly the same thing. Just 'cause you think popular people are inherently bad at being CKs doesn't make you any different from what you're trying to argue against.

Rebellion! *destroys stuff*


But seriously, I don't have any problems with the way this place is run.

Haha! So your telling me you would rather have someone who is popular and "good for your image" than someone who could no doubt do the job much more effectively? And there was Psychotic denying the CKship is a popularity ratrace.So all along we've had you accusing the staff of judging whether someone is worthy of becoming a CK based solely on popularity, when all along you've been doing exactly the same thing. Just 'cause you think popular people are inherently bad at being CKs doesn't make you any different from what you're trying to argue against.

When did I ever say that people that are popular are bad CK's? I never said such a thing and I think you should refrain from putting word's in my mouth. I mean who ever gave you the right to say what I think? This seems yet another example of moderators trying to control us, don't you think?

My point is that popularity seems to be your primary concern when choosing a CK rather than actual responsibility/moderation ability.

When did I ever say that people that are popular are bad CK's? I never said such a thing and I think you should refrain from putting word's in my mouth. I mean who ever gave you the right to say what I think? This seems yet another example of moderators trying to control us, don't you think?You straight out said that we pick popular people as opposed to people who could do a good job in the post that I quoted.

As for the "another example of control", I really, really hope you are not being serious.My point is that popularity seems to be your primary concern when choosing a CK rather than actual responsibility/moderation ability.Alright. Any evidence to support your claim?

Moderators trying to control you? I'm not sure if you're joking around or not, but if you're not...

Listen man, I think you need to take a step back and really listen to what people are trying to tell you rather than immediately taking up a defense and nitpicking at every single thing a Staff member tells you as though every word coming from a CK/Admin is wrapped around conspiracy or something.

You say that CKs are knighted based on popularity rather than ability. That's obviously not the case if you take a look at the CK track record.

You don't have access to how the CK decisions are made. So you can either take a look at who has and hasn't been made a CK to judge for yourself, or you can take us on our word that we don't just choose super popular people, or people we're bffs with. We make a huuuuge effort to try and get a really diverse variety of people and also people who have the abilities to be great staff members.

But you can't seem to dig that, and instead you're trying to pin the staff in between a rock and a hard place. No matter what we say, you're gonna find a reason to be all "GRRR! STAFF IS BAD".

After Miriel's excellent post, there's only one thing left for me to do.
*stick-in-the-muds*