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[Del Murder]

I did end up learning something, but I forgot what it was.

[ShlupQuack]

Originally Posted by Raistlin

But you did try to somehow turn it around that I was wrong for getting mad about it.

I'm sorry you felt that way. It wasn't my intention.

Originally Posted by Raistlin

Then where is the line drawn? Is there a certain predefined point where I'm suddenly wrong for being bad? I don't think so - some of you betrayed a trust, and I got mad. I didn't even do anything as a result of my anger - I didn't cuss anyone out, I didn't make a thread about it, I didn't block everyone from my LJ, I didn't make a long dramatic LJ entry, I didn't make a dramatic thread and leave EoFF forever. I still even maintain that Bleys is overreacting - just that he has the right to do so. So please, tell me what it is that I'm doing that makes me so wrong, how I'm overreacting.

I just picked up a tone out of your posts over the last few days that made you seem very angry. If I'm wrong, this is just text after all, then I apologize, but you seemed almost irrationally angry and that, I think, is over the line. I may also have taken out my feelings towards Bleys on you a bit though; I'm sorry about that.

Originally Posted by Raistlin

I asked BoB what was discussed, and was never told. I thought I had the right to find out what was said about my locked LJ entries, and which parts were quoted/talked about, but I guess not.

I think that people who you talk about in your LJ have the right to know about it too, and I consider both of those... betrayals, if that's what we're calling them, to be equal. I'm sure you don't agree, but I thought I'd mention it. But, like I think people should be told if people are ranting about them specifically, someone should probably tell you what was quoted and discussed in the planning thread.

Originally Posted by Raistlin

I never said anything about Bleys saying "smurf you," and I obviously don't agree with him since I've stayed on a pretty good basis with most of the people he said that to. And I don't think it's fair that you automatically say I agree with everything Bleys does just because I sided with him on the points he made, which were all pretty damn good points - seeing that they swayed me from being avidly against Bleys to being sympathetic of him.

No, it probably isn't fair in that aspect. When you side with him ("on the points he made," as you say) most people are likely to lump you together with him and his attitude about it. I appologize about that, and I hope you're aware that I'm not the only one who's going to make those kinds of assumptions. No one smurfs RSL but me!

Originally Posted by Raistlin

I hate arguing.

I don't buy it.

Originally Posted by Raistlin

And that's the biggest reason I did not like you as an administrator.

And that's why I quit, because you're right. I thought I was having fun, but the fact that some people take this stuff so seriously... I guess it's better that I just let you guys do your thing than enjoy myself since I'm not going to change my mind about message boards not being worth a care. I care about a lot of people here, of course, but all the pressure of having to pretend I don't think people like you have issues (I realize that sounds like I think I'm better than you or something, but please just know I don't mean it that way) for the sake of professionalism isn't worth all the avatar changing, pink, and pixeled pandas in the world.

Originally Posted by Raistlin

I'm not saying all of Staff felt the way Shlup did. But what does that have to do with anything?

I totally agree with D, and I feel the joke was a great learning experience. For all the drama that's followed I still stand by the joke and say it was worth it both because it was entertaining, and because what the members had to say was really interesting. For every moment I enjoyed toying with you, I enjoyed reading what members like The Captain had to say. Just in case you were under the impression that I didn't think the drama was worth anymore than entertainment.

[Raistlin]

I think that people who you talk about in your LJ have the right to know about it too, and I consider both of those... betrayals, if that's what we're calling them, to be equal. I'm sure you don't agree, but I thought I'd mention it. But, like I think people should be told if people are ranting about them specifically, someone should probably tell you what was quoted and discussed in the planning thread.

You can't always talk about someone to their face. Also, if someone asked me what, if anything, I've said about them, I'd answer honestly.
Also, the analogy is false. When I add someone to a more...elitist friends' group, I state outright asking not to say anything to anyone outside of that LJ group. Unless someone directly tells me, "don't say anything, ANYTHING, about me behind my back...period!" there's no relation. Plus, that's just absurd.

I don't buy it.

Well, if I try to convince you, it'd just be arguing - pointless. Maybe you have a different opinion on the definition of arguing. I admit that I sometimes don't use the word in the manner in which I view it(so I sometimes end up confusing myself on what I actually mean).

And that's why I quit, because you're right. I thought I was having fun, but the fact that some people take this stuff so seriously... I guess it's better that I just let you guys do your thing than enjoy myself since I'm not going to change my mind about message boards not being worth a care. I care about a lot of people here, of course, but all the pressure of having to pretend I don't think people like you have issues (I realize that sounds like I think I'm better than you or something, but please just know I don't mean it that way) for the sake of professionalism isn't worth all the avatar changing, pink, and pixeled pandas in the world.

It's not about professionalism - it's about respect. If I had said some of the things you've said to me to ANYONE at EoFF, I would've been warned - and that's not right.

I totally agree with D, and I feel the joke was a great learning experience. For all the drama that's followed I still stand by the joke and say it was worth it both because it was entertaining, and because what the members had to say was really interesting. For every moment I enjoyed toying with you, I enjoyed reading what members like The Captain had to say. Just in case you were under the impression that I didn't think the drama was worth anymore than entertainment.

I got that impression from some of the things you said in the Planning thread(about your "main incentive" or whatever being smurfing with me). If that was actually not your main goal in this, then I apologize.

If I'm wrong, this is just text after all, then I apologize, but you seemed almost irrationally angry and that, I think, is over the line.

How am I irrationally angry? I made comments in one LJ entry and one thread here. I didn't yell at anyone, I didn't cuss anyone out, I didn't close off friendships, I didn't make a dramatic thread and/or LJ entry, I didn't leave EoFF forever...I didn't actually do anything. I basically just said I didn't agree with what was done, for such and such reasons, and feel that my trust was betrayed. I'm struggling and unable to come up with a more mild, polite way I could've put it.

The rest I didn't respond to either because I agreed with or I accepted.

[CloudDragon]

This thing seems like its being blown way out of proportion.

[ShlupQuack]

Originally Posted by Raistlin

You can't always talk about someone to their face.

That's the lamest justification for talking about someone behind their back I've ever heard.

Originally Posted by Raistlin

Also, if someone asked me what, if anything, I've said about them, I'd answer honestly.

I'd hope so. I wouldn't expect you to be that much of a jerk.

Originally Posted by Raistlin

Also, the analogy is false. When I add someone to a more...elitist friends' group, I state outright asking not to say anything to anyone outside of that LJ group. Unless someone directly tells me, "don't say anything, ANYTHING, about me behind my back...period!" there's no relation. Plus, that's just absurd.

See, my assumption is that no one should have to request that they not get talked about behind their back. And, I know you and I don't agree on this, but I don't consider LJ a private journal. I consider anything posted on the internet to be public domain, and I would never post something private and not expect it to get around. Two can keep a secret if one is dead and all that.

Originally Posted by Raistlin

Well, if I try to convince you, it'd just be arguing - pointless. Maybe you have a different opinion on the definition of arguing. I admit that I sometimes don't use the word in the manner in which I view it(so I sometimes end up confusing myself on what I actually mean).

Something like that.

Originally Posted by Raistlin

It's not about professionalism - it's about respect. If I had said some of the things you've said to me to ANYONE at EoFF, I would've been warned - and that's not right.

I've been warned for saying things to you plenty of times. BoB deleted the post I made after I stepped down! What can I say? At a certain point I start losing respect for some people. I still respect you, of course, but sometimes being all nice to you isn't worth the effort. But I don't think that has to do with me as an admin because I do respect people; when I don't show you respect, and when you don't show me respect, that's an issue between the two of us, not between an administrator and a... you.

Originally Posted by Raistlin

I got that impression from some of the things you said in the Planning thread(about your "main incentive" or whatever being smurfing with me). If that was actually not your main goal in this, then I apologize.

My main motivation in carrying out the joke was to screw with you; the most valuable result was the member feedback recieved. All the entertainment I got out of it... I'm over it. But the feedback recieved won't be forgotten... by everyone else, I suppose, since I have nothing to do with it anymore.

Originally Posted by Raistlin

How am I irrationally angry? I made comments in one LJ entry and one thread here. I didn't yell at anyone, I didn't cuss anyone out, I didn't close off friendships, I didn't make a dramatic thread and/or LJ entry, I didn't leave EoFF forever...I didn't actually do anything. I basically just said I didn't agree with what was done, for such and such reasons, and feel that my trust was betrayed. I'm struggling and unable to come up with a more mild, polite way I could've put it.

You seemed pissed and not caring about what anyone had to say. I can't argue with you about the way you were percieved based on your past posts. You just seemed really pissed.

[crono_logical]

Originally Posted by CloudDragon

This thing seems like its being blown way out of proportion.

Yeah, normally, I'd tell people to take such an argument to PM or LJ or chat too In fact, I'll do that